Aperture 3, DNG

I am using IPHOTO for my pictures and when I am using DNG/RAW the Mac is very slow.
I want to change to IPHOTO 9 or Aperture 3, but is my 2GB Ram enough. (2GB is my max.)
My Mac shop told me IPHOTO 9 and Aperture3 will be easy to use even with 2GB Ram.
Does anybody has an advice. Thanks for answers,
Gerjan

Aperture should work just fine with the DNG files.
UNLESS they were converted to Linear DNGs, in which case you're sunk.
Can you check them in DNG converter and see what specific format they are?

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XSI RAW to Aperture via DNG not working

I just got the Digital Rebel XSI and have been using Aperture for my JPEGs on my P&S camera and was hoping to finally shoot in RAW. From what I understand XSI's RAW is not supported in Aperture so I tried to batch convert RAW to DNG using Adobe Digital Negative Converter. However, Aperture did not accept these DNG files and said the file format was unsupported any thoughts on how I can get XSI's RAW into Aperture?

First off thanks for all your help. If you haven't figured I'm an amateur newbie who's trying to take the next step to being an advanced amateur with getting the XSI. I've been using Aperture for my jpegs on my P&S camera since I prefer it's organizational tools to those in iPhoto.
So now my "workflow" (I always think of that as a professional word and feel funny using it as an amateur) right now is to shoot in RAW and convert to DNG for including in Aperture and save the RAW files. If I later want to import the RAW files can I "overwrite" the DNGs with the corresponding RAW files and preserve whatever editing/touchups I did on the DNGs? Or will I have to reedit the RAW files again later?

Aperture and DNG. Anyone else seeing this?

I shoot a lot of RAW images and some of them on a camera that is not currently supported by Aperture (Panasonic DMC FZ8). When I convert those RAW images to DNG, Aperture displays them perfectly in the import preview. When I import them to a project, Aperture displays them for a few seconds. Then they disappear only to be replaced by the usual blank red image placeholder and the message "Unsupported Image Format". If the program can display these images for 5 or 10 seconds why not permanently?
Anyone else seeing this? If so is there a way to manage these images in Aperture? I like the program, but it's difficult using one app for RAW images and another for the rest. Any news (rumors) as to when Apple may be updating the supported camera list?
Thanks
Joe

Aperture only supports DNG from cameras that it supports the RAW file from, so your Panasonic DNGs are not supported. What you are seeing is simply the embedded JPEG that flicks on until Aperture realizes it is not a supported file.

XSI RAW to Aperture via DNG

I have a question concerning the Adobe DNG Converter. I would like to use it as long as there is no Xsi support in Aperture.
In the Converter preferences there is an option to "embed original". Can I safely use it for imports into AP and delete the original RAW? If I extract it later on do I get the original RAW back? Do I lose anything?
I plan to get rid of DNGs as soon as Aperture supports Xsi and import original RAWs directly. So is it safe to keep them only once embedded in the DNG or should I keep them somewhere?
Thanks,
Tonden

I'd elect to not embed the original RAW files, and to instead just copy the original CR2 files somewhere for safekeeping for now.

Comments about Aperture and DNG

I bought a copy of Aperture a while ago and recently purchased a computer capable of running it. So now that I am becoming acquainted with it I have some comments for Apple:
• I am amazed by the flexibility of the interface, and at the same time surprised by what has NOT been provided for.
—for example: in a dual monitor setup I can't dedicate one for full screen viewing of the selected image in every mode with all the normal panels for adjustments, metadata, projects, importing, thumbnails, etc on the second monitor. And what display customization is available is not sticky—it keeps reverting back to some default!
• Image display quality is superb, better than any of the Adobe products (including LightRoom) or any of the raw converters I have used (several). If print quality is as good it will be a significant advantage for Aperture.
• I am using OS 10.49 and A 1.53, yet I am still having problems with correct display of layered 16 bit photoshop files. Some do display correctly, but many are distorted and scrambled, and some display only an alpha channel.
• Last, and this will end my relationship with Aperture for now and probably forever, is a lack of universal support for DNG files (current support for DNG is restricted to proprietary RAW formats Aperture does support). What on earth is Apple thinking? The whole point of DNG is to remove the need for proprietary support by providing a universal open format. Aperture does not support my current camera. While that is not a surprise to me, the lack of universal support for DNG is.
I believe this must be a marketing decision, and a bad one at that. Apple needs to get a grip: Adobe owns this market. Aperture is a weak and marginal player. If Apple insists on playing this kind of game they will shoot themselves in the foot—and probably already have.
I am aware of some workarounds for specific cameras including mine, but the real issue is the lack of universal support for DNG. Without it Aperture, whatever its other virtues, is sunk. A pro would be a fool to make Aperture the center of their workflow if they were not confident of some universal means of working with raw files from whatever camera or back they might use in the future. Without this universal support Apple basically has veto power over what hardware I might choose in the future. This is a completely untenable position for me, and I would bet for most pros.
Too bad. Aperture shows much potential otherwise.
Mark Muse
MacPro Intel, dual G4 silverdoors, G3 iBook, etc. Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Aperture only supports DNG from cameras that it supports the RAW file from, so your Panasonic DNGs are not supported. What you are seeing is simply the embedded JPEG that flicks on until Aperture realizes it is not a supported file.

Does Aperture support DNG custom profiles (.dcp) ?

Hi, how can I do batch correct raw images ? Does Aperture support custom DNG profiles (.dcp) from
X-Rite Colore Checker Passport or Adobe DNG Profile Editor ?
Or instead can I assign color correction icc camera profile (input ? device ?)
For example, I have already prepared jpg image with desired colors ang raw image, I want match colors raw to jpg image. I'm not interested in presets, I prefer and I can do it via profiling in other raw converters. But it will be Aperture usable for me ?
Many thanks for answer

I don´t have the camera nor Lightroom, so just for what it´s worth, this requirement stated for DNG files:
+DNG files must be generated by the Adobe DNG Converter with the “Convert to Linear Image” option turned off.+
Not sure if that helps you. I´m trying something alike from PSe7 on a Windows Vista laptop for the Panasonic LX3, without luck so far... ;(

Does aperture handle dng files from a scan?

I'm scanning 35 mm slides via a Pacific Image 5000 through Vuescan. The advice the manual gives me (Vuescan) is to scan raw to a disc and then read the scan via Vuescan to do some basic clean-up. I 'd to send this processed image raw (.dng) to Aperture for final processing and saving without going through saving other formats .(pdf, tiff, etc) intil I 'm done with the image. Can this be done? Aperture says the dng file is not in a format it can read. How can that be if Aperture is supposed to handle raw?

Aperture can handle many raw formats, but not all. mainly the raw formats of professional cameras. And it will depend on your Aperture version, which raw formats are supported. See this list:
Apple - Aperture - Technical Specifications - RAW Support
As to DNG-files, see this footnote:
Aperture works with most DNG files generated from cameras that support this format and with DNG files generated by the Adobe DNG Converter with the “Convert to Linear Image” option turned off.

Camera profiles in Aperture via free DNG 1.2 and profile editor

So last week Adobe announced LR2 and along with masses of new features, something that was not part of the marketing piece was the ability to get more accurate colour and this could possibly benefit Aperture users. Today I've just noticed an article on John Nack's blog about the new (free) DNG profile editor.
It allows for a base profile to be entered (just calibrate your camera with Color Eyes or Gretag's new color checker), then played with to suit. But basically, you'd just load your colour profile here, then NOT play with it. The profile is then used in the DNG converter, which can then be read by any RAW converter that supports DNG.
My questions:
1. Aperture supports DNG, but does it support DNG 1.2?
2. Does the fact that the 'Convert to linear image' option has to be turned off impact this opportunity?
3. Even if Aperture does read in the DNG, I assume that since it ignores the camera sensor information for things like auto noise compensation etc, it won't screw with the colour and assign its own colour (like it does with native RAW), but just use the embedded profile?
Does anyone with an in-depth experience with Aperture and DNG have any views on this? I'd love to calibrate my 1DS and 1DSII, then use the DNG converter to assign the profile and have Aperture read the files.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/08/thedng_profileeditor.html

It certainly looks interesting, and addresses a number of problems people (including myself) had with Adobe's existing profiles... namely that the whole yellow/orange/red part of the spectrum was awful.
Also note the whole profiles thing is still currently in beta.
As for Aperture... it doesn't support those profiles embedded in DNGs now. In fact, it doesn't support the "picture styles" info embedded in the RAW files by Nikon or Canon either (neither did Lightroom, and this is Adobe's answer). That said, I rather like Aperture's default conversions, and you could tweak the default RAW conversion subtly and apply the effect to images as part of your process.

Canon EOS 5D Mark II DNG Not Recognized by Aperture

Hi - I recently received a hard drive with a number of DNG files shot with the 5D Mark II. When I try to import them into Aperture,
I am told that the file format is not supported. All Aperture support (book/web/help) says DNG is supported. Also, Canon 5D RAW
supported.
How can I import these files?
Thanks.
Chris

From the Aperture spec:
DNG files must be generated by the Adobe DNG Converter with the “Convert to Linear Image” option turned off.
Might be your problem.
If you can get your hands on the original RAW files that would definitely be your best bet.

Aperture 2: Migrate masters to DNG

Hi,
since Aperture 2.0 offers much improved DNG support, I'd like to migrate from CR2 to DNG. Is there any way to migrate masters while keeping the albums derived from a project intact?
I would hate to recreate all the album selections I've made.
Thanks,
Jan
Side note: With CR2 images, Aperture 2 shows the minimal/maximal focus length of the lens used, but not the maximal aperture, with DNG images, it's the other way around. Preview, on the other hand, shows the complete lens specification in the EXIF data. Funny.

No way to migrate your RAW files in-place from CR2 to DNG.

When exporting versions (from DNG-to JPEG org size) they get very smal?

when exporting versions in aperture (from DNG-to JPEG org size) they get very smal? Why cant they stay the same size and kvalety as the DNG?

How are you exporting? If you are dragging the image out of Aperture you get the preview, you are not exporting the version.
If you are exporting then the most likely reason for what you see is the setting on the Quality slider. Remember JPG images are compressed and you will always see a difference between the original and the exported JPG.
regards

Aperture 1.5 handling of images.

Dear members:
This may be a basic questions but I haven't worked with Aperture since I purchased it when it first came out. I understand that version 1.5 is a huge improvement over 1.0 and that it has changed the way it works with images - one is no longer forced to import images into its proprietary library.
My questions:
1. Can images be kept in folders of my choice while I use Aperture to just "browse" these folders in the same way I currently do with Adobe's Bridge ?
2. In this case Bridge creates a sidecar file for every RAW file I have and uses it to store all the metadata associated with the image. What method does Aperture use ? In case it keeps the metadata associated with images in its own internal library, how can one transfer an image and make sure that the metadata will accompany that image ? Does it keep a cache file in the folder as Bridge does or it keeps previews of the different images in its internal library ?
3. What book would you suggest as being the best for Aperture 1.5 ? I have found a few on Amazon but don't have any references on which should be the best. I am looking for an in depth book that deals with basic as well as advanced issues, and is also well illustrated if possible.
Thank you in advance,
Joseph Chamberlain

Hi Joseph,
Yes the video card is at the low end of Aperture's needs .... esp. with bigger RAW images. I believe the X800 was the upgrade for the PCI-X bus. A couple of generations back now but rumors say that they are being made available again.
Aperture speed is not associated with library size (although there have been a few considered thoughts that maybe very large library sizes do have an impact). The limit is 10,000 images per project (i.e. event, occasion) and after around 8,000 images in one project I did see slow-downs, and absolutely glacial from 9,500 to 10,000. That was under v1.0, and v1.5.x doesn't suffer as much. So, the speed you get with 25 images is the speed you'll get, assuming your projects are under 9,500 images big. My biggest library is 150Gb and is full of 250Mb scanned TIF's along with 8Mpix RAW's. The TIF's need a very high end 256Mb video card for reasonable performance.
My personal view of DNG is close to unprintable. Far from an industry standard, it was Adobe telling the world, but the world did not listen. The way Aperture implemented DNG is essentially irrelevant as it is merely the RAW encapsulated in a DNG wrapper. That means if the RAW decoder goes away, you lost your image. The key point of DNG was for universality (such as JPG), but that means getting the camera manufacturers to output in that format. However, if they did this, the benefit of RAW manipulation becomes an issue.
As to Adobe integration. I used to use CS2 daily and was my 100% tool of choice. Now I use it 2-5% of the time. Round tripping from Aperture is seamless and well implemented. The additional keyword metadata doesn't flow, but the standard EXIF does. I've not tried exporting the metadata so I cannot add more to the question.
Hope this helps,
G.

Canon RAW files or DNG

Is it safe to assume that the .CR2 Canon RAW format will be around for a while or should I look at converting to DNG format? If the latter, I wonder when Aperture will be able to read DNG files?
Is there a way of converting all my .CR2 files that currently reside in my Aperture library to DNG format?
Many thanks
Mark

super_claret wrote:
Is it safe to assume that the .CR2 Canon RAW format will be around for a while or should I look at converting to DNG format?
CR2 Canon RAW is a safe format. Millions of pix exist on it and it is unlikely to be dropped from support by major apps witnout upgrade conversion being made available.
Vendors like Nikon and Canon have been supporting their products for many more decades than Adobe has existed.
Camera vendors keep RAW image info proprietary and constantly evolving for improved image quality. DNG is Adobe's attempt at genericizing RAW capture but who says Adobe's conversion is in any way preferable? Each camera is somewhat different, but in general Aperture does a better job than Adobe ACR (the underlying converter for DNG), and often the individual camera vendors' RAW converters are better still.
DNG is only really useful for folks with brand new camera releases supported by Adobe but as yet unsupported by Aperture, and even then only if for some reason the camera vendor's free RAW converter is lame.
If the latter, I wonder when Aperture will be able to read DNG files?
Aperture reads DNG now.
Is there a way of converting all my .CR2 files that currently reside in my Aperture library to DNG format?
Sure, using Adobe Camera RAW (ACR), a subset of Photoshop. But unless ACR does a better job on your camera's files than both Canon and Aperture, which is highly unlikely, doing so IMO would at best be a waste of time, at worst lead to lowered image quality.
Edit:
The quality of RAW conversion in addition to being specific to each DSLR also is a matter of opinion subject to individual brain/eyeball evaluation.
-Allen Wicks

Aperture and Dxo - usefull workflow?

Hello all,
I have the following question: I'm using DxO as my RAW converter, as it produces wonderful results even with full automatic settings. That is absolutely what I need because of shortage of time
But still I want to use Aperture for all the rest of my task. So does anybody here have also DxO and Aperture playing together?
How do you handle your workflo? Converting the RAW pictures and then let Aperture handle the TIFF pictures?
Unfortunately Aperture can't handle (at least at the moment) the linear DNG-output from DxO.
Does anybody here have any other idea how to combine both programs to get best results?
Thanks a lot for any help,
Greetings from Germany,
Oli

I have not got an answer to your question, but am quite interested in what others might offer and so have added this note.
There seems to be a problem with Aperture handling DNG files from DxO - they only come through as large thumbnail size. I experimented and then tried a JPEG export from Aperture from one of these DxO-generated DNG files, and the JPEG was also a small (200x300 pixel) image.
I then had DxO create TIF files (from the same D200 RAW images) but for some reason Aperture did not allow me to import them - the TIF files were not visibile in the import window at all even though the RAW, DNG and TIF were all in the same directory. So I discovered another post on this that spoke of the "Aperture Hot Folder". I downloaded and used this utility - creating a second folder into which I moved the TIFs and Aperture automatically imported those.
Obviously none of this is ideal - if only Aperture could handle DxO DNG files directly then things would be much simpler. But again, perhaps someone else here will be able to offer some thoughts...
MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.8) 23" Cinema Display

Importing DNG - no adjustments imported

hi,
i am trying to import a large project which i worked on (4000+) images.
i worked on this project before installing aperture. in my previous workflow i was using ACR to do the raw editing/first conversion, then convert the files in DNG and import them in IVMP. so the DNG preview would be matching the file adjustment.
i just imported the project in aperture, and no adjustment come through. no WB, no exposure, nothing.
what can i do? doesn't aperture support DNG? am i doing something wrong? i cannot rework the 20000+ images i shot since using DNG....
thanks,
@lberto
MacPro Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Here's my understanding...
When you adjust a RAW image with ACR (a RAW converter), the settings are saved in an XMP sidecar because ACR doesn't like to modify a RAW file. But when you adjust and save to a DNG file the settings that would otherwise be saved in the XMP sidecar are saved in the DNG. Adobe can do this because Adobe created both ACR and DNG. (Also, Adobe wants you to use Photoshop.) The settings saved in the DNG are just instructions that tell ACR and only ACR (at present) how to process the RAW image when it is brought into Photoshop.
ACR saves an updated preview thumbnail in the DNG and that is what you see in IVMP and PhotoMechanic. IVMP and PhotoMechanic are not RAW converters. In other words, they can't take the ACR instructions inside the DNG and change the RAW to a JPEG, TIFF, or PSD. They just let you see the preview thumbnail. They don't care about the original RAW data because they are not RAW converters, so they don't need to show you the original. They show you the adjusted preview thumbnail so you will use their program in conjunction with your Photoshop workflow.
Capture One is another RAW converter. It cannot take ACR conversion instructions and apply them in Capture One because CO uses it's own conversion algorithms. The same with the proprietary camera manufacturer's RAW conversion software.
Aperture is also a RAW conversion software that uses its own conversion algorithms. It is not Photoshop, so it cannot use Photoshop's ACR conversion data. When you load an adjusted DNG into Aperture it initially sees the adjusted preview. But then Aperture builds a thumbnail with the original RAW data (as it should) because Aperture adjusts the RAW master file.
White balance, exposure, and other adjustments settings are not imported into Aperture. I would not expect them to be. Those are ACR (Photoshop) adjustment instructions, not Aperture adjustment instructions.
Even Lightroom, another Adobe program that offers RAW conversion, does not currently read the ACR adjustments from a DNG. Load adjusted DNGs into the current beta of Lightroom and it does the same thing as Aperture. It looks past the ACR generated preview in the DNG and creates a preview from the RAW data. However, being an Adobe product, you might expect Lightroom to eventually be able to read the ACR adjustment data in a future version. Lightroom may be the route you will eventually have to take to perserve your many adjustments unless you are willing to convert your DNGs to TIFFs or PSDs and import those into Aperture.
I believe the DNG specification was intended to create a standard in the RAW file format (unadjusted). It is not a standard for transferring image adjustments between diverse RAW converters.
Again, this is just how I understand it...
-Karen

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