Aperture Loses iPhoto Edited Images

Hello,
I need help on importing iPhoto libraries.
I have 22 iPhoto libraries (iPhoto 8.1.2, 140GB total for all libraries) on an iMac 27, OS 10.6.8, and am importing into Aperture 3.2.2. I imported each iPhoto library separately and rebuilt their thumbnails before each import. It was my understanding that Aperture would import the original iPhoto images as well as the edited images along with metadata. Now I have discovered that in my case it does this sometimes but not always. When it does work Aperture shows two images in a stack, the iPhoto edited image (with the keywords "iPhoto Edited" added, and the iPhoto original image (with the keywords "iPhoto Original" added). This is what I would expect. However, there are many images that I edited in iPhoto that show up in Aperture as just a image, the one that was edited in iPhoto. The iPhoto original image is not there. Aperture has added the keywords "iPhoto Converted" (whatever that means) and "iPhoto Original" (which it is not) to this photo. If I go back to these images in iPhoto and do a revert to original, iPhoto reverts the edit back to the (true) original image. So,both the original and edited images are in iPhoto.
I have rebooted the Mac and repaired permissions but that didn't help.
Getting my Aperture library setup has been a struggle and I appreciate all the help I have gotten. It looks like I still need more. Thanks!
Mike

Hello Leonie,
You were right on - many thanks! I thought I was facing having to start over again.
I have found Apple's Aperture User's Guide very useful but nowhere in its 907 pages have I found your instructions described or "iPhoto Converted" defined.
It works as you described and I have some comments: (1) After the resetting all adjustments in Aperture the new version continues to have these same keyword tags as before the reset. The adjustment badge is gone and the version number is appended to the image name. (2) I also used "New Version from Master" on some iPhoto edited photos. This creates a new version; however, all the adjustments, keywords and badges were deleted, but the version number is appended to the name. (3) I tried "Show Master Image". This apparently only works in Split View & Viewer (dimmed out in Browser). When I do this the adjustments are apparently not changed except for crops which are removed (this seems odd). Keywords and badges are not changed. There is no version number, of course, and the image is identified as a master image. (4) I am curious about why using Aperture's iPhoto Browser to import photos results in two photos, the iPhoto original and the iPhoto edited. They have the appropriate iPhoto Edited or iPhoto Original tags; however, except for rotation and cropping the iPhoto adjustments appear to have been reset. The edited ones do not have an adjustment badge, even though it was adjusted in iPhoto. All the images have a keyword badge and Aperture has added a keyword which it the title of the iPhoto album or event the photo came from. They all have a Master Image label at the top. I duplicated one of the iPhoto edited images. The duplicate displayed a Master Image label and Reset All Adjustment was dimmed.
I would appreciate your observations on these comments.
Aperture is an impressive piece of software and thanks to your help I think I am finally ready to start using it!
Mike

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Go to to the image I'm working on --- selected the image, the clicked on edit. When nothing happened I double clicked the image. Still elements didn't open. Then I opened the Elements editor, went back to iphoto and tried the entire process again. the photo still didn't open on Elements 13 for editing.
I have 3 Elements 13 books as well as looked on line--all my references say the exact same thing ---- iPhoto>Preferences>advanced>edit in external program>photoshop Elements
I uninstalled and reinstalled both iPhoto as well as Elements.
I spoke with application technical support. There appears to be nothing wrong with my copy of iPhoto. However there is no support from Adobe. I waited for over 1.5 hours for chat support several days ago, and finally gave up.

You are probably choosing the obvious file rather than the correct file as the PSE editor. The actual editor is hidden away inside the Support Files folder. The PSE file at the top level of the PSE folder in Applications is just an alias for the welcome screen and what you're describing is exactly what happens when you choose that. You want this one:

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