Aperture using iphoto libra

Ok after a clean install and open iphoto first later i open the iphoto library im aperture to start using it but when select a photo and click the search near places a pop up menu appear as you can see in the screenshot.
So if i don't create the originaly in aperture then everytime i working in aperture with a iphoto library and want change something like that shall i back to iphoto..?
I mean is same way to have fully freedoom with a iphoto library in aperture or the only way is to create the library with aperture.
I was thinking to use the same library for booth but i see that to have all the freedoom i shall create one in aperture to don't have any limitacions is that right?
Thank you.

Using the same library for both works. You have a local glitch.
Option 1
Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild. Choose to Repair Database. If that doesn't help, then try again, this time using Rebuild Database.
If that fails:
Option 2
Download iPhoto Library Manager and use its rebuild function. (In Library Manager it's the FIle -> Rebuild command)
This will create an entirely new library. It will then copy (or try to) your photos and all the associated metadata and versions to this new Library, and arrange it as close as it can to what you had in the damaged Library. It does this based on information it finds in the iPhoto sharing mechanism - but that means that things not shared won't be there, so no slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your events, albums and keywords, faces and places back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results you can simply return to your old one.
Regards
TD

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