ATI X800 - no performance increase.

Hi,
Was very excited to receive my ATI X800. Installed it in my Dual 2.0Ghz G5 (original) and was disappointed to not see any increase in performance in any of my apps. Not in Photoshop, Quicktime, Lightwave, nor in any of the various benchmark programs out there (Xbench, Cinema4D.)
I expected a leap in performance...was I wrong?
Thanks
Joe

Greetings,
I don't think you'll see improvement on screen redraw on these apps, as they are not the graphic intensive as compared to games, esp those shoot them up games. Thats why i think there are many more choices and more advance video cards for the windows machine than for macs as there are much more games available for that platform.
So in order not to be downhearted, buy some games and surely you'll see much more improvement from your previous video card. That will certainly makes your upgrade more worthwhile. Smile...

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The slot is AGP on a June 2004 Dual 2Ghz, sorry about that. I have been doing dozens of posts on another site and forgot to give my specs again when starting this post. I have had a huge confusing issue with this card. An ebay mac graphics card seller called this card an AGP card but then then someone pointed out that it was only for PCI-e. I went to the site and found that the was true.
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The thing that bothers me even more than how loud it gets is how there is constant noise it never dies down like with the G5s fans. It is so annoying to be, say, watching a DVD and have the fan be running at full speed the entire time.
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Running the latest driver? That's the first advice you'll get but that may not help. There are a couple of registry toggles you can to turn on/off GPU features. Here's a link.
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i am so happy, that i need to share this with everybody else:
a few weeks ago i decided to upgrade my gpu to tht ati x800 xt. i won't bore you with the fact, that it is a great card, fast and - truely - silent. the problem was that the due to the heat of the card the pci slot fan, just beneath the superdrive, started spinning at over 43% (i am using the hardware monitor tool for measurements http://www.bresink.com/osx/HardwareMonitor.html).
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b) replacing the x800 xt fan
c) lowering the speed of the pci slot fan
d) replacing the gpu
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http://www.barefeats.com/radx800.html
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and here is the solution that works for me:
to reduce pci slot fan noise, underclock the card to
core 475 -> 445 (-5%)
memory 499 -> 472 (-5%)
and since my powermac g5 2.0 ghz has reached a pci slot fan speed of 41%. just slow enough to be under my annoyance level. you will need to play around with the parameters, since (ati clock speed =) ati heat + mac heat + ambient heat will impact the pci slot fan.
cheers
philip

Hi Tangier,
did you install the necessary drivers? ATI DISPLAYS 4.5.7.
Works perfectly on both my G5/Dual 2.5 and G5/Dual 2.7. If it still does not work try to reinstall the latest Combo update, presently Mac OS X 10.4.8 Combo Update (PPC)
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Everything is fairly new and I just got thios ati X800. All updated drivers for the board from Nvidia site and vid card from ATIs site. Anyway I do about 27000 in 3dmark2001se but I just ran 3dmark05 and my score was very bad about 3700. Is there something I am missing here?? Or is this card bad even though it does OK in 3dmark2001se?? Thinking fo taking this vid card back. Suggestion??

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Originally posted by thesaucier
Everything is fairly new and I just got thios ati X800. All updated drivers for the board from Nvidia site and vid card from ATIs site. Anyway I do about 27000 in 3dmark2001se but I just ran 3dmark05 and my score was very bad about 3700. Is there something I am missing here?? Or is this card bad even though it does OK in 3dmark2001se?? Thinking fo taking this vid card back. Suggestion??
actually at stock settings that is about right for 3mark05.
i have a 3500 and x800 and at stock got 3850, thats with the latest omegas.
however if you overclock the gfx card to say 530/560 then you will see an increase of about 1k.
3mark05 like 3dmark03 before it are more gpu intensive so the gfx card is generally the weakest link. 3dmark01 is more dependant on the cpu and mem speed with a little of the gfx card hence the big difference in scores.
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[img]http://www.lotech.co.nz/images/IMG_0035.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.lotech.co.nz/images/IMG_0038.jpg[/img]
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Just looking to see if I can install a Mac version of the ATI X800 XT 512MB on G4 MDD dual boot dual 1.25Ghz machine?
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ADC presents a seriously limitation on cards since the only two retail cards (no flashing, no fuss) on the market are the ATI 9600 and 9800, both without ADC.
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