Audio mix help

What is the best way to do an audio mix with multiple channels where you want to change the level of one complete channel as opposed to the individual clips one at a time in that channel?
Thanks Angus

Use the track tool to select the one track and Modify>Levels to change the levels of the track.

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I posted this message a few days back and got it working but now it seems nothing I do works (see Below)
When ever i try and "Write" an audio mix, after i'm done writing and switch to "Read" the track automaticly gets set back to zero like nothing happened. I have turned off "switch to touch after read" as always. Any clue what is happening here? I restarted the program and even change the audio files around but still no help. I set the track to show keyframes and I see nothing happening to the keyframes when writing... it's like the mixer is ignoring me

Pengh,
Going back, adjusting the View of the Track Keyframes helped. Obviously, something else is not working. Based on Dennis' comments, I wonder if Adobe has changed how the Audio Mixer works in CS4+. I only have PrPro 2.0, so I cannot even check, but I think that the playing field might have shifted in later versions. What version are you working in? I have a feeling that what I might tell you will be moot, and that someone else will need to chime-in, like Dennis.
Good luck,
Hunt

Adobe Premiere Pro Help | Overview of audio and the Audio Mixer

This question was posted in response to the following article: http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/overview-audio-audio-mixer.html

The last section "Customize a VST effect in an options window" for a beginner working their way through the manual makes no sense. VST and how to apply it is not explained, and no explanation appears prior in the manual. To be blunt, it's just a nonsense.

Unable to perform multi audio tracks mixing with Audio Mixer

How do you get a simple multi track mix with the Premier Pro 1.5 Audio Mixer?
I got 2 audio clips, each sitting at the start of its own separate track (Audio 1 and Audio 2). I just want to mix them into the Master track. Simple enough.
So I go to the Audio Mixer. Position the CTI at the start of the tracks and hit the red RECORD button. The red spot starts blinking. Then I hit the START/STOP button expecting the tracks to start mixing into the Master track. Instead, I get this error message
"PLAYER ERROR: You cannot record without enabling at least one track for recording."
I get the same problem if I try the mix onto a submix track.
What am I missing? I combed through the Premiere Pro User Guide and J. Rosenberg's Premiere Pro Studio Techniques but to no avail.
Thanks for any help.
JB.

Jacques, I havn't seen 1.5 for a while, so I need to stress that what I'm about to say is more of an educated guess linked to a rough memory.
Each audio track in the mixer has a small chip (tickbox in 1.5??) that you click in order to enable that track for recording. In CS3 it's a little microphone.
Having said that, I DON'T think that's going to give you what you want, as the intention of the recording functionality in PP is to record audio FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE (like a microphone) straight to an audio track, say, when doing a Voice Over for some video.
You can't "mix down" to the master, as the master is not a track per se. It's just a "final" level control. The master will always be the sum of the active tracks, and THAT'S what will be rendered in the final output.
You can still "live mix" your audio with the faders, it's just that those movements get recorded as keyframes on each of the tracks you modify (including, BTW, the Master).
The advantage to this workflow is that every fader move you make is infinitley editable... a small error when riding the faders can easily be fixed by dragging keyframes.
HTH.
Matthew

Audio levels on the timeline & Audio Mixer

I'm confused why when you change the audio levels on a clip using the Audio Mixer it changes the levels for everything on the track?
I'm from an FCP & Avid background where you can adjust each clip using the Audio Mixer, is there a way I can do this? I find using the yellow sliders in each clip is very unaccurate and having to open each audio clip in the viewer is such a time waster.
Thanks, Andy

Audio in Premiere Pro is different--but quite a lot, in many circumstances. I'd recommend going through the help file's audio section to get a better idea of what some of the main controls are: Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 & CS5.5 * Editing Audio
But to answer your question more directly: the Audio Mixer controls track volume, not clip volume. By default, the Audio Mixer isn't set to drop keyframes, so it will affect the level of a track as a whole; check out Recording audio mixes to get more background on setting up the Audio Mixer for automation, so that you can record level changes.
The rubberbands (the yellow lines you're referring to) can be more finitely controlled by holding down the Ctrl/Cmd key as you drag; the values will move in smaller increments, then.
You don't have to load a clip into the Source Monitor to adjust the levels, if you want to adjust by the numbers. Just single click a clip in the sequence, and if the Effects Controls panel is forward, you'll be able to adjust the volume with the standard effects sliders/dials. Note that keyframing is enabled by default for the Level property, so if all you want to do is adjust the total level of a clip, it might be faster to do it in the sequence.
Audio mixing in Premiere Pro is pretty capable and the feature set is pretty deep, but I'll grant you it's a little overwhelming coming from a different NLE. I don't know if any of the previous helps you, but post back with any specific questions and we'll try to figure out a way to approach this in a fashion that makes sense to you.

Audio mixing questions

Since starting with Final Cut, I've set levels in the timeline. Problem is, when I set my first keyframe, whose level I don't want to change, most of the time I inadvertently lower the level by a few decibels. Not a huge deal, but a time waster that adds up and minor embarrassment when the client is sitting next to me. Any way to avoid this?
On the other hand, I've tried switching to the audio mixer, and I don't like that you can only set keyframes when the play head is moving. Is there a way to, using the audio mixer, set a keyframe when the playhead isn't moving, scroll to the desired location of the next keyframe, set a keyframe and adjust it's level, all while the playhead isn't moving?
Seems to me that this process is easier in Avid...but maybe there's an FCP feature I'm overlooking or misunderstanding.
Also, is it possible to gang tracks in FCP's audio mixer? I can't seem to figure that out.
Thanks in advance for help.

For me I have a completely different method when working with audio. Others might think this way is crazy but it works for me. I rarely use "rubberbanding" or keyframes when working with audio. I treat my audio clips the same as video...using edits. I will make an edit where I want the audio level to change and then add an audio cross dissolve between the clips. The only time I will add keyframes is if there is a random peak that I can't knock out using the Compressor/Limiter filter. Like I said though, I rarely need to. Not sure if this is the type of answer you're looking for as it changes the workflow, but I hated the finickyness of the audio keyframes so I just avoid using them.

Getting a good Audio mix

SPOILER ALERT - rookie here...
..it's getting better, but i've had some difficulties getting a good final audio output.   There are 2 tracks, dialog and "background" music,
and i basically mix to bring up the dialog sometimes, (while also reducing the music), or vice versa, depending on the clip.
I'm using the audio mixer with the "Touch" method of automation. Actually, my first burn had an acceptable "mix", although
the ENTIRE level was too low, so i remixed, turning down my computer speakers, and running each track a little hotter. I'm a little
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timeline, which seems to vary somewhat.   If i use the timeline meter, it's hard to get it UP to -12db, and the audio mixer meter
doesn't seem to be adjustable.    Often, the audio 1 dialog can be pretty high, but the output volume just isn't a lot.
I've also played with the normalize track feature, and discovered that if i set it at, say "-8db",
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but not finding some of the fundamentals i think i need to get this right. In short, the mix is pretty good, it's just that the final output
level seems too low.   (I have to play it at about 85 % volume on the dvd player).   MAYBE this is much ado about nothing, and
it's all perfectly normal, but i don't know enough yet to know one way or the other.    After working with vectorscopes and RGB parades
for awhile, i find it comforting for the system to tell me if it's correct, instead of relying on my own observation, although i guess that's
what needs to prevail at the end of the day/

Using the audio gain feature is for sure the easiest method of turning an entire sequence up, just as Jim correctly described by nesting everything then turning the gain up.
One thing I'd really recommend though taking a look at using in the future is a compressor. Once I started using one for my audio levels I found that it made my life extremely easy. Once you have it setup correctly it will raise your lows and lower your peaks for you. Basically what it does is reduce volume once it reaches a certain threshold. Then using the makeup gain option it also adds gain to the audio. I generally just apply the dynamics effect to entire audio tracks. The other great part about the dynamics effect is that it has a limiter on it as well. Which is wonderful because you can set a limit of -10db for example and it won't allow anything to go over that point. So it makes it very easy to achieve consistent audio levels. So normally I always put a dynamics effect on my master track, with only the limiter enabled. So that nothing can go over whatever value I set. Then I use the dynamics effect using the compressor/makeup gain only as needed for the rest of the tracks. However depending on what your exact needs are that setup may or may not make since for you. I really think that it sounds like using this effect could be helpful for you though, so you might want to try it out.

Editing After Laying Final Audio Mix Into The Time Line - Possible?

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I finished my film recently and layed the final audio mix (stereo track) into the timeline, replacing all the seperate audio tracks. Now, I want to go in and do some edits at the beginning of the movie.
I still have the main video tracks and several other video tracks for noise filter, credits, etc.
Is it possible to link the video track with the stereo audio file and keep everything synced as I make the cuts to eliminate the need to remix the sound?
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That is...
1. At the point where you want to cut, press Control-V (that's Add Edit)
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3. Select the region to be cutout and press the Del key, that's the key below Help and to the left of End on your keyboard, not the Delete key.
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I'm honestly confused by what you mean about 'space on the audio track' and things not matching - care to clarify?

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Hi Tahseen,
Thanks for your help with this problem.
I have been using PE since version 5 - a long time!. I have used Audio
Mixer for all those years but I have never had this problem before.
My video clips are AVCHD video. My stills are JPG and the soundtrack
music is MP3.
I have a slideshow which is a mixture of stills, video and soundtrack.
During "Expert" editing there is speech on Video 1 so I try to lower the
music soundtrack so that the talking can be heard. Something that I have been
doing for years. Using Audio Mixer, I lower the volume to -18 by sliding
down the volume slider. The soundtrack volume is reduced. I then replay
the clip and the sound reduction I have just carried out has been ignored
and the soundtrack reverts back to 0 as if nothing had been changed.
Can you help me please.
Regards,
John

Audio Mixer Window Does Not Appear

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Can't export quicktime with 5.1 audio track - help

I have a very unusual problem that I am running into.
A festival has asked for a Pro Res Screener vs a DCP like I am used to with a 5.1 audio mix.
No problem I figure, I grab the 6 individual audio tracks from our sound guy, mastered as 5.1 L,R,C,LF,SL,SR.
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5.1 Audio Mixer window

Can anyone tell me what the order of the meters are in a 5.1 project with a 5.1 audio master? The meters appear to be L, R, Ls, Rs, C, Lfe while the surcode plugin is looking for L,R,C,Lfe,Ls,Rs.
Is there any way to change the order of the audio mixer meter to ensure it matches with the surcode plugin?
Also, is there any way to send audio exclusively to the Lfe instead of to L,R,Ls,Rs and Lfe?
THX!

There are several questions and considerations here.
1. the order of the VU meters is predicated on the Audio Tracks (AT) in PrPro. At this stage of things, you place source material on the various AT's and then position them spatially. Effects (say a filter on an AT that you want to go to the LFE channel) also can play a role, but you make the decisions.
2. the "standard order of channels in say a WMA file, with the individual tracks set for stripping to discreet mono WAV elements, is as per below:
Track Number
Track Name
1
Left (front)
2
Right (front)
3
Center (front)
4
LFE
5
Left Surround (rear)
6
Right Surround (rear)
Now, with the SurCode DD 5.1 SS encoding, things change a bit. This does come into play if you go to a program, like Audition:
Track Number
Track Name
1
Left (front)
2
Center (front)
3
Right (front)
4
Left Surround (rear)
5
Right Surround (rear)
6
LFE
Hope that this helps. If you are Importing and placing "standard" discreet SS files onto AT's, use the first table. [I also rename each AT to reflect exactly what is going to be one it.] If you are Exporting, via SurCode to then plan on using table #2, when dealing with the discrete mono files.
Hunt

How do I increase my sound using the Audio Mixer?

I needed to raise the volume of a clip I had in my Premiere Elements project. Somehow, I managed to do it. When I play the clip with the Audio Mixer open, I see the slider bar way at the top at a +3 which is great for the clip I have. I have another clip from the same event and I also need to raise the sound to a +3. I THOUGHT I had selected the clip, and then simply slid the bar up. I did this a few days ago. Now I am trying to raise the volume on another clip by sliding the bar up but it has no effect. I may have edited the start and end of the clip but I wouldn't think that would have any impact. I would think that any volume changes could be made to a trimmed clip. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks.

Rick
Have you explored Normalizing the clips....Clip Menu/Audio Options/Audio Gain
Please see "Adjust the Input Level of Clips" in the following Adobe document
Adobe Premiere Elements Help | Mixing audio and adjusting volume
Are you working with Music Score Soundtracks?
Are you working with 5.1 channel audio?
Generalizing...you should be able to volume change an audio clip that has been trimmed.
ATR

Audio mixing

Am very new to FCP. Being trying for several days to do a simple audio level reduction to a section of background music to make a sound effect more obvious.
Can someone please help.
Tried setting audio keyframes - could not get the level line to have a keyframe marker on it to pull it down.
Tried using the FCP audio mixer to reduce the levels - did nothing.
Totally confused.

In the lower left hand corner of the timeline you willsee several buttons. One looks like a set of mountains. Click that. Then you have access to the level bars in your audio. OPT-Click adds a keyframe.
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I just finished a 20min documentary shot on miniDV. I did the offline cut on my Powerbook G4 then took it to a post house for online and recording the narration and final mix.
They exported my project to Pro Tools for the audio work. Evidently, when exporting to PT, all my level settings and audio transitions are lost, and we had to re-mix everything from scratch.
Is this the typical work flow? This is my first paid gig as director/editor, so I'm new at this. But it seems quite ineffiecient.
Is there a way to export my audio with all my audio settings intact? or at least the level settings. That way, the mixing engineer can fine-tune my rough mix rather than re-mixing from scratch. I'm wondering because I'm cutting another 20min piece where the audio mix, as rough as it is, is quite intricate, and I'd hate to have to re-do it all in PT.
I suppose one way around this is to work with Soundtrack Pro. But I'm living in Vietnam, and the post houses/recording studios all use Pro Tools.
Thanks.

When we send out audio for sweetening we export the show as an OMF 2 file. This allows the PT folks to start with your exising clips and settings and then change them accordingly.
From FCP you select your sequence and goto file>export>Audio to OMF. We usally give them a version with transitions and one without selectable on the export window. Once the OMF file is created you then image to a disk and hand it over. In return, they will give you bavk an OMF file which you reimport into your show and sync with your show. If your show starts at the 01 hour mark, start the show with one frame of bars and tone. Then have your show start two seconds later. This will make it easy for you to match back up. Also, you should give them a QT of the show with the same one frame of bars and tone for a visual reference for them.
Hope that helps.
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