Automatically Include Motion Audio in FCP Sequence

I'd like FCP to include Motion's audio tracks when I drag and drop a Motion file into a sequence (without having to import the audio separately). Is there a setting I'm missing in either FCP or Motion to enable this? I'm using FCS 2.

Yeah, I understand now that it wasn't designed that way, still wondering if there's a way for force FCP (or other apps like Adobe Media Encoder for that matter) to read Motion's audio track. I've built quite a few complicated sequences in Motion (w/audio) that I'd like to cut together and/or re-encode into other formats without going to the trouble of re-syncing the soundtracks.

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~/Titles.localized/Show Effects/Show/Lower 3rd/Lower 3rd.moti“ is the Motion file that is being used. I was able to replace the file and when I open a project all of the lower thirds are there except they are all missing the names and titles. I
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        <parameter name="Layout Method" id="314" flags="12901744656" default="1" value="1"/>
        <parameter name="Right Margin" id="324" flags="12901679120" default="1024" value="1024"/>
        <parameter name="Top Margin" id="325" flags="12901679120" default="100" value="100"/>
        <parameter name="Path Options" id="329" flags="8589938704">
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Audio out of synch after bringing in FCP sequence

In an open FCP project I highlighted the sequence I wanted to get into Motion. I used "send to Motion Project" and the project opened in Motion as expected. It looks good but audio can't seem to keep up with video. It's perfectly synced in FCP.
Any suggestions on what could be happening? Is Motion overloaded and need to reduce file sizes of project elements or did I mess up the importing? Any help is appreciated.
Jagr

No, I didn't try a RAM preview, I just hit play. I'll give that a try. Sequence is about 3 mintues long. I've also noticed that audio from FCP sequence that was in stereo, doesn't play in stereo in motion. Is that normal?

Motion 3 problem - sending FCP sequence to Motion

I have been working in Motion 2 for the past three months. I just got Motion 3.
I'll take a sequence that I edited in FCP - I edited clips ABCDE together - and try to send it to Motion. Each clip's original length was 10 seconds, but in FCP I edited them together so that they are only 3 seconds long in a 15-second sequence. Then I go to Send To>Motion. I save the Motion project.
I add some text. Everything is fine. Then I add a behavior. Suddenly those five clips are not edited in their 3-second-long segments anymore - they are their original lengths of 10 seconds and now the project is 50 seconds long instead of 15 seconds, so everything I did up to that point is ruined. When I hit Control-Z, all that happens is the behavior or whatever I just added is gone. The clips don't return to their original edited state.
What the heck? How can I stop it from doing this???
I should mention that I can export my FCP sequence to a .mov and it works okay, so yes, that is a solution. BUT - shouldn't I be able to just send the sequence to Motion?

Let's see ... I added fade in/fade out to the clip itself. I also tried to apply several different Text Sequence effects - fade from left, fade from center, glow ... that's about as far as I got because then when I deleted the last behavior, the whole thing froze up and I got mad and just quit.

Audio falls out of sync with FCP sequence after export from STP

Hey all,
editing sound on a short film. sent FCP sequence to sweeten the dialog and add effects, according to the timeline it is the same length as sequence length in
FCP, but when exporting from STP to FCP to complete movie, the sound ends up being about 10 frames longer than the video and starts in sync and falls out of sync over the duration of the film.
Have tried changing preference settings in STP, exported about 5 ways to breakfast and all have same result.
Anyone have a solution to this problem?
Much thanks,
Holly

I just experienced this same thing, and as Christof says, it had to do with 'Easy Setup' and 'all formats'. I've been editing a picture shot on RED in Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) at 2K (2048 x 1152) and 24fps...FCS 3 (FCP 7 latest version). Whenever you trash preferences or start up FCP new, you get the 'easy setup' menu. Previously, I could just hit 'okay' and go ahead into FCP and change the settings/resolutions within the project...even if the 'easy setup' default was, say, DV/NTSC 29.97. Also, when opening up an active project after trashing prefs, the project itself would still have the same editing/playback settings/resolutions, even if the 'easy setup' window had its default DV/NTSC setting. Plus, if you create a new timeline and its default is one format, once you drop a different format into it, it asks you if it should adjust to that format anyway, and of course, you say yes and everything is fine.
Well....in this most recent FCP update, whenever I'd export an AIFF from the timeline and reimport....or if I'd just import an AIFF...it would do something to the playback rate of that newly imported/reimported sound file and suddenly its sync has drifted all over the place within just a minute or so. But strangely, it wouldn't do it to audio that's attached to picture (.mov/MP4/etc.)....only isolated audio files (AIFF/WAV). So naturally, I wondered if something was going on during the export process or the like.
The solution is to make sure that when you open FCP (newly, or after trashing prefs), make sure you pick the settings/format/framerate in that 'Easy Setup' window that matches what you intend to edit as closely as possible. In my case, the format is Apple ProRes 422 (HQ), 2048 x 1152 @ 24fps, and I use a Blackmagic Multibridge so I have settings for it. Hence......*Format; HD, Frame Rate: 24, Use: Blackmagic HDTV 1080P 24 - 10 bit.* Whereas the default upon startup is....Format: (all formats), Frame Rate: 29.97, Use: DV/NTSC 48KHz.
You can also set these in the 'Audio Video Settings' menu. Now, whenever I export and reimport an AIFF, or just import an AIFF (like the soundmix prepared by our sound designer), sync stays and there's no drift. So make sure you've picked the right settings when starting or reopening a project, again as Christof pointed out.

Motion Audio Oddity

Hey Guys,
I am a long standing Motion user but I have only dabbled with its audio facilities as Logic or FCP is usually more suitable. I am working on a project in Motion 2.1.2 that needs a simple music bed laying under the visuals.
The bed, comprised of 5 tracks plays back fine in the Timeline, but on output, only exports up to a certain point. For example the total project duration is 12 seconds, at 8 seconds the export audio ends but the video carries on.
The audio is imported at 48khz, 16bit, in an AIFF.
Even when exported using compressor (in various formats including AC3, WAV and AIFF) the same issue arises, as does exporting the audio separately using Comp. or QT. Ram previews, re-importing audio, new projects don't seem to be working, can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks everyone, keep up the good work.
Jim.
Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Sorry can't help you on this, but only to say that the same thing happened to me on one project. hasnt happened since though, and never found the reason, but at least you know you're not going mad. To make life easier i dropped the motion project into FCP, married it up with the soundbed in a new sequence and exported it fine from there. Becuase I'd dropped the motion project in, it updated as i worked on it. made life a little more bearable anyway.
regards
adam scoffield
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How does Media Manager handle Motion Projects within the Sequence being cop

How does Media Manager handle Motion Projects within the Sequence being copied?
I've highlighted my sequence, opened Media Manager, and copied it to another drive. When I open up the sequence in it's new project, the rendered Motion Project plays within my sequence but it won't let me go back into this Motion Project to make changes. I tried starting over. This time I highlighted the actual motion sequence and clip that is created within FCP after sending something to Motion and copied those to the new drive. When I went into the newly created 'media' folder and double clicked on the motion project it launched. It looked liked it was going to play but while my crops moves and borders were there, the filmed material is shown as a freeze frame for the duration of the motion project.
I did this with and without 'including master clips within selection'. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Motion projects in FCP

OK, so I've been importing motion projects into FCP (for a while now) and rendering them each time they're changed...and finally wondered: why? If I click "open in editor", change something and go back to FCP, I should only have to re-connect it, right? That's what I do in DVDSP if I need to change something on a menu I did with After Effects...export it from AE with same file name, then the file in DVDSP automatically updates (sometimes I gotta re-connect the file...).
I busted open the FCP manual and it only said that LiveType and Motion clips must be rendered (red render bar)...but not why. Is it because they are inherently motion effects/graphics intensive? I know the answer is probably just that simple, I'm just looking for some re-assurance that I'm understanding this correctly...
I'm not a noob...just trying to understand the tech side of things. That way I can be happier with my software.
Thanks
Jonathan

OK, so I've been importing motion projects into FCP (for a while now) and rendering them each time they're changed...and finally wondered: why? If I click "open in editor", change something and go back to FCP, I should only have to re-connect it, right?
Unfortunately for us, whenever the source media - a video clip, still image, Motion or LiveType project file - changes, FCP trashes the associated render files. As far as I am aware, it's a hardwired 'housekeeping' thing within FCP.
The usual advice is to render only as a last resort, but I take it your workflow doesn't allow for that?
I busted open the FCP manual and it only said that LiveType and Motion clips must be rendered (red render bar)...but not why. Is it because they are inherently motion effects/graphics intensive?
It's because Motion or LiveType files typically do not match the codec - what FCP terms 'Compressor' in your Sequence Settings - that you're working in. Sure, the files may match the frame size and rate - for instance, 720x480 at 29.97 fps - but Motion and LiveType files are 'interpreted' as Animation codec files. If you're working in DV, for instance, you'll have to render files that are not DV. Another issue is that no machine/setup I've ever worked on can do Animation files - at Full Quality - without rendering (they are simply too data intensive). However, beefier machines can get some amount of RT playback, depending on the settings and number of tracks being composited.
Or did I misread your questions?

Error message when importing motion files into FCP

In FCP.
I choose a clip/clips in my sequence. Then choose send to motion project and follow the directions from the training dvd.
By unchecking (embed "motion" content) then save the file with a different name. Then continue with making my graphics over the video clip/clips.
When I am done I then shut off the video layer of the clip in the motion timeline. Then I save the project. Then close Motion and try to import the motion project in FCP.
When I try to import, I get an error message stating "File Error: 1 files(s) recognized, 0 access denied, 1 unknown."
I go back to the training file to try the same procedure and it works fine.
Go back to my own project and it doesn't work.
Any ideas? Anyone?
I have a Mac Pro 2.66GHz / 5 gigs of ram / 512 vram ATI graphics card
Also working with universal software for FCP studio.
Intel 2.66GHz Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Intel 2.66GHz Mac OS X (10.4.9)

OK???
Don't know what the deal is. But I made a new sequence in my project and copied my other sequence with in the new one and then tried to do the whole clip step for step process of send to motion and importing back in and it worked!!!!
I check all the listed settings of my sequence in my browser window and both the old sequence and new sequence are the same.
I am happy that I can move on with my work, yet I am frustrated with the fact that I am not sure exactly what the problem is.
Thank You Again!

When I'm done with my fcp sequence, whats the best way to get it to dvd?

When I'm done with my fcp sequence, whats the best way to get it to dvd?

The advice to go to Compressor left out the part that you may want to convert your audio to AC3 becaus ethe MPEG2 bitrate is probably too high for DVD specs.
This method is in the DVDSP manual and it's in the Compressor manual, both difficult to locate, but easily searchable.
Here's what I'd do: Export the timeline form FCP in the native sequence settings, self-contained. Bring that self-contained movie into DVDSP and let DVDSP handle the transcode.
The advice to go to iDVD is even easier.
bogiesan

Using 48KHz & 32KHz in the same FCP sequence. Some say yes, some say no?

Can anyone please, please help resolve the conflicting info I'm getting regarding using 48KHz & 32KHz material in one sequence.
Forum user and generally smart-cookie Studio X says: You need convert the 32/12 audio to 48/16; otherwise it will drift out of sync.
Larry Jordan (uber smart-cookie) seems to say: Capture the material in 32KHz/16 and you are good to go, http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj32_kHzaudio.html
Apple Documentation: In Final Cut Pro 6 you can freely mix clips with different formats in a single sequence and play back the sequence in real time .
Apple Documentation: Final Cut Pro can import audio with any bit depth and sample rate supported by QuickTime and Mac OS X Core Audio. Final Cut Pro performs real-time bit depth conversion and sample rate conversion when your audio file settings don’t match your sequence settings.
What's it all about Alfie? Which is it and why? Tall order answer for a brilliant expert able to take the generous time to hand one over. With many thanks.

Larry Jordan's statement is compelling: "As long as you capture your audio properly, FCP can handle 32, 44.1, and 48 kHz audio on the same Timeline with no problem."
I so much appreciate your reply Jerry. Was terribly excited to see You had responded. Thank you kindly.
I'm going to work with the 48 and 32 - Frankly I'm curious about this path as it not only runs against convention but comes with relatively recent documentation supporting it.
Yes, system must be robust to manage it. My sense is that if all heck breaks lose I can convert the audio I end up using in the cut, as opposed to converting all of the dailies. Thus far, capturing in both 48 & 32 and cutting into one sequence, I have not had render or playback, sync issues. Interestingly, I simply can't bring myself to treat music from a CD in same manner. 32, 44.1 and 48 in one sequence? Makes me shudder.
Thank you Jerry!

Problem sending FCP sequence to Compressor

I'm a beginner at using Compressor. I had the following problems while completing the Motion 2 DVD tutorial that shipped with the Final Cut Studio Suite:
1. Upon exporting the sequence to Compressor, FCP gave a duplicate file name warning.
2. Compressor opened, but it would not preview the sequence I exported. Compressor said that FCP was "busy".
3. Upon submitting the batch, the compression sequence went by very quickly and I recieved a failure message in the batch monitor.
I ended up sending the the FCP sequence to QuickTime, then I opened up the QT file with Compressor directly. When I followed the directions for compression to DVD quality, the process does seem to have worked.
Questions: Is this the only way that I will be able to compress my movies as I gain more experience with longer files & will this cause a loss in quality?
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.6)

No, you should most certainly be able to
export your sequence (or a group of sequences)
directly from FCP into Compressor.
Can you share some more details about what
exactly you did?
I beleive that I made a mistake in installing the tutorial files from the DVD. I tried Compressor again using different footage and a totally different sequence, and I had no problems at all. Thank you for responding.

Error "Motion Patch failed to Render" using Motion 5 with FCP 6 - any clues?

I can't find any clues so far.

I kinda doubt they're compatible. Try exporting from Motion as a selfcontained qt with settings that match your fcp sequence and see if that will come in to fcp.

Edits in stap files shift in FCP sequence

I edited some outtakes from a voice over in STP and saved .stap files. These I dragged into a FCP sequence (422) with 48khz 16 bit audio.
The result was as if I had chopped out the wrong parts: rather than shortening a long silence, the first word of the following sentence was missing!
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Missing Audio from FCP to Soundtrack Pro in Final Cut Studio 2

I've been trying to edit a sequence from Final Cut Pro 6 in Soundtrack 2 by sending the sequence to soundtrack as a multitrack project. For some reason, when I send it, multiple audio files from the original sequence are completely missing, and I have no clue why. They're .mov files from the original import of footage.
Anyone know why these don't transfer and how to fix it?

Hi
I too have had trouble with Audio from FCP 6 messing up in STP 2. My opinion is that the process works if the audio tracks in FCP are either Mono sourced or stereo sourced and are never relinked, split to mono (in the case of stereo files) in FCP during editing. God forbid you unpair a stereo track and delete one channel!
Once in STP I have had occasions where non audio appears, the wrong track appears... or sometimes the wrong audio!
Once in a while double clicking on the offending clip in STP to open it in a Wave window seems to show the right audio. Either saving it of closing the window ( command/w) restores the right material to the clip in STP.
You could right click on the audio in FCP and "send to STP Audio Project". Hopefully the correct audio is opened in STP. Then save it. Now re-export the Multitrack project and see if the audio makes the trip.
Or, you could export the Audio directly from FCP, then import it into STP and position it against the video manually.
One warning : once things start going pear shaped in the FCP-STP workflow, it's my experience that I'm fighting problems all the way. It's why I don't use STP for FCP mixing .... I want to, but its too risky.
I hope V3 is better.
Best
Lee

Automatically Include Motion Audio in FCP Sequence

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