Automating Complex jobs - advice needed (all are welcome)

Hi all,
We have successfully implemented XMl workflow with fully automated through script which will place all tables and images as per citation etc. and its working fine (this jobs are one time script writing since its a same style and same layout) and its a magazine & journals.
Now we are concentration to automate the book we know that its not one time script since each book has different elements and styles and boxes.
Here what we need a adivce from the scripting guys how to tackle these types of projects.
The projects which we have is high complex jobs lots of boxes (each box has its own design). We are going to take the book projects in XML workflow using DOCbook.
All the boxes are placed in the library, we have a question if we placed the boxes styles in library is the script is capable of draging the appropriate boxes from library and place the text automatically using script. Since we did't try using the library.
Sorry I am through ideas which we have anybody who came across with the complex jobs automation will give some ideas of how to tackle these types of projects.
Thanks...................
Kavya

Do you want "general" advice or something more specific for your project?
Generally, when I have a large project, I like to break it down to smaller components. I script one simple action to make sure it all works. Then I try another part of the job and make sure all those commands work. Once I have about 60% of the core functions worked out then I start to combine them into a workflow application (I use XCode to develop Applescript applications). In each step I make sure to code it for flexibility for future changes.
As for dealing with library objects like you mention, I have not tried to work with libraries. You should make sure that you can script the library objects, if that is how you are going to fill items or build a document.
Chris

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Ashok_Ora wrote:
Great -- thanks for the clarification.Thank YOU, my first post was indeed a bit confusing, at least about the reads on DB2.
Ashok_Ora wrote:
Based on this information, it appears that you're generating about 12 GB/day into DB2, which is about a terabyte of data every 3 months. Here are some things to consider for ad-hoc querying of about 1 TB of data (which is not a small amount of data).That's right, this is quite a huge lot of data, and will keep growing, and growing... Although the main goal of the app is to be able to achieve (almost) real time reporting, it will also need to be able (potentially) to compute data over different time ranges, including yearly ranges for instance - but in this case, the real time capabilities wouldn't be relevant, I guess: if you look at some data on a year span, you probably don't need it to be accurate on a dayly interval, for instance (well, I guess), so this part of the app would probably only use the "very old" data (not the current day data), whatever it is stored in...
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Query performance is dramatically improved by using indexes. On the other hand, indexing data during the insert operation is going to add some overhead to the insert - this will vary depending on how many fields you want to index (how many secondary indices you want to create). BDB automatically indexes the primary key. Generally, any approach that you consider for satisfying the reporting requirement will benefit from indexing the data.> Thanks for pointing that out! I did envisage using indexes, but my concern was (and you guessed it) the expectable overhead that it brings. At this stage (but I may be wrong, this is just a study in progress, that will also need proper tests and benchmarking), I plan to favour write speed over anything else, to insure that all the incoming data is indeed stored, even if it is quite tough to handle in the primary stored form.
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Ashok_Ora wrote:
Here are some alternatives to consider, for the reporting application:
- Move the data to another system like MongoDB or CouchDB as you suggest and run the queries there. The obvious cost is the movement of data and maintaining two different repositories. You can implement the data movement in the way I suggested earlier (close "old" and open "new" periodically).This is pretty much "in line" with what I had in mind when posting my question here :).
I found out in several benchmarks (there are not a lot, but I did find some ^^) that BDB amongst others is optimized for bunch queries, say that retrieving a whole lot of data is faster that, for instance, retrieving n times the same row. Is that right? Now, I guess that this is tightly related to the configuration and the server's performances...
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- Use BDB's SQL API to insert and read data in DB1 and DB2. You should be able to run ad-hoc queries using SQL. After doing some experiments, you might decide to add a few indices to the system. This approach eliminates the need to move the data and maintaining separate repositories. It's simpler.I read a bit about it, and this is indeed very interesting capabilities - especially as I know how to write decent SQL statements.
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- Use the Oracle external table mechanism (Overview and how-to - http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B28359_01/server.111/b28319/et_concepts.htm) to query the data from Oracle database. Again, you don't need to move the data. You won't be able to create indices on the external tables. If you do want to move data from the BDB repository into Oracle DB, you can run a "insert into <oracle_table> select * from <external_table_in_DB2>;". As you know, Oracle database is excellent database for all sorts of applications, including complex reporting applications.
This is VERY interesting. VERY.
And Oracle DB is, you're, a very powerful and flexible database for every kind of processes.
I'll look into the docs carefully, many thanks for pointing that out (again!) :)
I have not yet decided if the final application would be free nor open source, but this will eventually be a real question. Right now, I don't want to think of it, and just find the best technical solution(s) to achieve the best possible results.
And BDB and Oracle DB are very serious competitors, definitely ;)
Ashok_Ora wrote:
Hope this was helpful. Let me know your thoughts.It definitely is so much useful! Makes things clearer and allow me to get more into BDB (and Oracle as well with your latest reply), and that's much appreciated. :)
As I said, my primary goal is to insure the highest write throughput - I cannot miss any incoming data as there is no (easy/efficient) way to re-ask for what would be lost and get it again being sure that it hadn't changed (the simple act of re-asking would induce data flaws, actually).
So, everything else (including reporting, stats, etc.) IS secondary, as long as what comes in is always stored for sure (almost) as soon as it comes in.
This is why, in this context, "real" real-time is not really crucial, an can be "1 minute delayed" real time (could even be "5 minute delayed", actually, but let's be a bit demanding ^^).
Ashok_Ora wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell us some additional details about your application?Of course, I owe you a bit more details as you help me a lot in my research/study :)
The application is sort of a tracking service. It is primarily thought to serve the very specific needs of a client of mine: they have several applications that all use the same "contents". Those contents can be anything, text, HTML, images, whatever, and they need to know almost in real time what application (used by which external client/device) is requesting ressources, which ones, from where, in which locale/area and language, etc.
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So, as you can guess, this is pretty much... big. On the paper, at least. Not sure if this will ever be implemented one day, to be honest with you, but I really want to do the technical study seriously and bring the best options so that they know where they plan to go.
As of me, I would definitely love it if this could become reality, this is very interesting and exciting stuff. Especially as it requires to see things as they are and not to fall into the "NoSQL fashion" for the sake of being "cool". I don't want a cool application, I want an efficient one, that fits the needs ;) What is very interesting here is that BDB is not new at all, though it's one of the most serious identified players so far!
Ashok_Ora wrote:
Thanks and warm regards.
ashokMany thanks again, Ashok!
I'll leave this question opened, in order to keep on posting as I'm progressing (and to be able to get your thoughts and rewarding comments and advice above all :) )
Cheers,
Jimshell

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The graphics card? It seems a better bet than the 660m or 670m model, but I don't know for sure.
There's a 120gb SSD, and a 750gb 7200rpm HDD. I will try this config out first, and if read-times seem slow I'll have to put a RAID system together.
The hdd is a hybrid drive. I'm not sure I want or need this, so perhaps someone could help me decide on this point?
Any other thoughts are welcome. I think there are a few members here who are using an g75 with cs6. Any pitfalls or blind spots I should know about?
thanks all,
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A few reasons:
The first is that I have to start my first editing job immediately, and have no time to source the components and build a desktop system.
Second, I live in a small apartment, where my girlfriend and I both work. I have an office I use occasionally when things get claustrophobic, and a laptop will mean that I'm not tied to a single location.
Finally, I live in Berlin, where - most likely, given the market here - many of the productions I will work on will be relatively small affairs. And I'm predicting I will have to meet with clients wherever they like (usually a cafe or bar, or on set).
I might be wrong, but in the above ways choosing a laptop as my first system broadens my options, workwise. I want to build a desktop system too, eventually, but not before this venture gains momentum.
I know that a laptop will also limit me too, which is why I have to ensure that I get something that will perform well. It's quite scary to imagine that I might find myself with a machine that won't deliver, but I also have to consider the practical constraints I mentioned above.
I think, also, that a HP Elitebook with similar spec would be a better bet, but the cost is prohibitive right now (an initial outlay of approximately 1k more). So, I would really like to know if the Asus route is going to be worth the investment, especially if I will have to configure a RAID system to replace the SSD boot+app drive and HHDD media drive.
Any comments welcome at this point! I just need some 'fatherly' advice

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