AVCHD cameras CCD or CMOS

First thanks for take your time and read my question. So I'm not a Pro I edit for my self and my friends. That being said I film most of the time Action Sports (BMX) and I want to buy a camcorder under $800 I saw two panasonic camcorders both capture in AVCHD format but one is 3CCD and the other CMOS. So the question is CCD or CMOS witch is best for Action Sports? and If CMOS is ok with a single 1/6 CMOS or a 3MOS?
Thanks for your time.

Hi thanks both for the replys I agree with you guys the rolling shutter in the CMOS cameras can cause problems in a fast motion enviorment for waht I read. I have an old Panasonic with a Leica Dicomar lens and a 3CCD sensor and to me it looks good. So I will search the internet for a good and reliable store where to buy a Panasonic HDC-SD9 any store recomendations are welcome. Also if I can't find a reliable store on the internert where to buy the camera,
What in your is better a sigle CMOS chip or a 3MOS sensor or you think that for my needs I will not see the difference?
Again thanks guys

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I think we would like to stay around $1,500 a camera (we will buy tripods, mics cases for each camera separately), though we are open to spending more if necessary. We would like the cameras to have at least one XLR port for a mic, and video quality and zoom are most important.
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Okay I'll jump in. I have been researching HD camcorders for months now, and I have a list of the top six contenders (in my opinion of course) here on my desk. I'm suggesting to the boss to go with the HMC150 but it's still up in the air. I'll share my list and maybe it will be of some help to you.
1. JVC GY-HM100U. $2,395.00. Only camera that requires no transcoding to play with FCP. 10x zoom. 3-CCD 1/4", so no worries about the jello effect or rolling shutter like with CMOS sensors. Comes with shotgun mic, but some say it's not as good as one you could buy separately. 2 SDHC slots.
2. Sony AX2000. $3,495.00. Best zoom available I've seen at 20x. 1/3" CMOS, so possible jello/rolling shutter issues. No native progressive, no 720p60. Res and sharpness suppose to be really great. 2 SDHC/MS slots.
3. Canon XA10. $1,999.00. Least expensive of the bunch, but suppose to be a great camera. 10x zoom. 64 GB internal memory plus 2 SDCH slots. 1/3" CMOS, but Canon says "with normal recording" shouldn't have issues.
4. Panasonic HMC150. $2,995.00. 3-CCD 1/3". 13x zoom. One of the most popular and widely acclaimed cameras. Wider lens than Sony but slightly lower res say some. If I get this one I think I'll get a Rode mic.
5. Sony NX70u. $2,799.00. 1/2" CMOS. 10x zoom. 96 GB internal memory plus 2 MS/SDHC slots. I added this to my list when I saw it was certified rain and dust proof. Comes with shotgun mic.
6. Canon XF100. $2,999.00. Pretty much just like the XA10, but with 50Mbps 4:2:2 color sampling -- the only one I found in its class. (Good for post work, effects, greenscreen, etc.)
Oh, on the cheaper end there is the Sony XR550 at around $1,200. No ext. mic, no XLR input. Smaller sensor. 10x zoom. 240 GB internal memory. Might be better than what you currently have. Might be perfect for you.
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I was wondering though.....shouldn`t I just NOT DO Anything ?
Well, that would be ideal... but you know how THAT goes
There`s an Adobe document at its web site talking specifically about the
Canon cameras, it mentions specifically my camera and the so-called "24p
cinema" format.
Can you post a link? I'm just curious what it says. The biggest issue is that Canon actually has (at least) two different 24p "formats," and your camcorder records to the not-so-easy-to-deal-with version. It's what Canon deems "24pf," which means that it records 18 progressive frames and 12 interlaced frames, but it doesn't flag which are which, so programs that are not able to determine the pulldown cadence can't remove the necessary frames to create a true 24p clip. After Effects (and a number of other methods) can determine the cadence, but that's an extra step, obviously.
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all, it doesn`t go any further.The option Interpret footage -> remove
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What version of FCP are you running? AVCHD support is officially limited to FCP 6.0.1 and I'd be wary until the accepted wisdom is that this is a straightforward workflow with no quality loss.
You state that your primary objectives are output to the web as video podcast or to DVD. As such I believe you're wasting your time looking at both proposed formats.
AVCHD workflow is unproven IMHO, HDV is wasted on video podcast/web output and you'll struggle to find a Blu Ray burner to output BluRay DVDs and the red dye HD DVDs you can output will only work in 1 player.
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There's life left in Standard Def and you'll still get decent quality if you're on a tight budget and wait till HDV/HD/AVCHD or whatever becomes cheaper/easier to work with in the future.
Camera technique is more important than format - don't forget, if you're shooting hi-def for large screen viewing (and it's pretty pointless if you aren't), focus is so much more critical for one thing - I'd much rather work with and watch stuff shot by someone who knows one end of their DVX100 from the other, rather than some eejit who knows nowt but is using an expensive all-singing, all-dancing Hi-Def offering.
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I think that we need to make distinctions between Quality (how good or bad the results looks or sounds to you) and Resolution (Frame Size, Display Size). Often the two can go side by side.
What you are seeing at the camera level is 1080i which is interlaced video at 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97 interlaced frames per second. What you are seeing when you play back your finished DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc is based on 720 x 480 @ 29.97 interlaced frames per second (if standard 4:3) and 720 x 480 @ 29.97 interlaced frames per second accompanied by a 16:9 flag to stretch the 720 x 480 to 856 x 480 for display after encoding. Another factor is what the TV or computer player is doing to your interlaced video for viewing purposes - deinterlacing or not and with what method. Some TV's come with technology to enhance the DVD-VIDEO display. Most TVs larger than 32 to 42 in tend to show the differences between higher and lower resolution more readily.
Since you have interlaced video source, each frame has two fields, with either Upper or Lower Field First. Your source probably is interlaced video with Upper Field First. Consequently, in the project, you may have to adjust that to Lower Field First if your destination is DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc which is characterized by Field Order Lower Field First. Something to look into for the "better" aspects considerations.
Now if you decide to take your Timeline content to AVCHD format on DVD disc, note that the format of AVCHD format on DVD disc is different from that of the DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc (Instead of OpenDVD and VIDEO_TS Folder, you have the BDMV Folder). Your AVCHD on DVD disc will have resolution (Frame Size, Display Size) of 1920 x 1080 pixels. Under these circumstances, the capacity of the DVD disc can become a problem with larger projects. When you burn your Timeline content to AVCHD format on DVD disc, what is on the disc will be an 29.97 interlaced frames per second characterized by Upper Field First. So, if your interlaced source and the destination product both use Field Order Upper Field First, then no need for Field Options adjusts. However you do have one opportunity for a progressive frame rate for the AVCHD on DVD. It is not 29.97, rather 24. See Presets = H.264 1920 x 1080p NTSC Dolby in the AVCHD on DVD set up in Publish+Share/Disc AVCHD disc.
I have generated some very great looking DVD-VIDEO on DVD disc (standard and widescreen) and have been very pleased with the results and how my viewers received them. The thought is getting the best possible DVD-VIDEO on DVD and enjoying it without laboring on how it might have looked as Blu-ray or AVCHD if you do not have Blu-ray and do not have a player for AVCHD on DVD disc.
If you need clarification on any of the above, please let me know.
Thanks.
ATR
Add On...In post 3 marked in reply to me you wrote
"On a side note, however, I'm not sure I agree with the statement that going to standard def would lose a lot of video quality"
I did not write that in any of my posts to you. That is why I have gone through the detailed account to qualify that statement from wherever it came.

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