AVCHD or HDV for your Editing?
Hi,
when come to the Editing stage, which is the format that you work pretty well and easier, HDV or AVCHD?
what media are you using? solid sate? (non-tape)?
I use use HDV (SONY V1E) and AVCHD (CANON HF100) but edit both in ProRes. ProRes is a very high quality editing codec, up to about 145Mb/s or 225Mb/s (HQ) which is going to be way more than your source footage. You can only ingest material as ProRes not ProRes (HQ).. but this wont be an issue as mentioned above.
Once your material is ingested FCP will auto detect your sequence settings once you start to place your clips in the timeline.
Tip (slightly off topic): Check your sequence Render settings: bit depth, if you are working with high qulaity graphics or serious about colour correction best to use the higher 10bit setting (from 8bit or RGB), and set your render quality to BEST (from Normal).
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I have one issue - some of the XDCAM footage she has given me is .MP4 video (actually each clip is a folder with 5 files in it (.MP4, .SMI, .PPN, .XML, .BIM). Do I have to convert the .MP4 into .MOV via Compressor to work with it (presumably this will compress it somewhat) or can I convert it simply and losslessly somehow (perhaps using sony XDCAM software?)
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I have AVI files that I need to convert to MOV files so that I can edit them in Final Cut Pro. I am going to use Quick Time Pro for this....When I have the files open in QT Pro do I have to 'export' it or can I just 'save as', or is there even a difference? Thanks in advance for your help!
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I can't even figure out how to replay any single tune over and over again. I apologize if I chose the wrong group. If so maybe someone could steer me in the right direction.
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Better for Video Editing? MBP 13" or 15" w/9600M GT
I am planning on purchasing a Macbook Pro for relatively extensive use of Final Cut Pro (HD video) along with possibly some light Motion work and video transcoding. In addition I will be using it for photo editing and web editing. I don't plan on using it for any high-end gaming.
I will be purchasing a $200 24" external monitor to use most of the time along with external keyboard and mouse (so MBP screen size isn't an issue), but I need the portability and don't have the funds to purchase an additional dedicated desktop yet.
I am having trouble deciding between the 13" and the 15", mainly due to conflicting opinions I've been hearing over the importance of a dedicated graphics card for video editing. Salespeople at the Apple store tell me it's important and I should get the 15". Research online yielded heated forum arguments over whether it really makes a difference or not.
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Pricing with education discount after tax:
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Studio X wrote:
Are you planning on making any money at this or are you only in it for fun? Have you ever edited before? Have you ever edited with FCS before? What of the 44 billion HD formats are you planning on editing? Do you have a camera? What format does it record? If it's a flash media based device, what's your back up strategy? How are you planning to externally monitor the HD material ? What are you planning to use as media drives as the system drive should not be used for media capture or playback?
Still, I guess I come down on the side of "it doesn't matter as neither one is a serious editing machine". If I was in the market for a laptop and was limited to the current apple lineup, the only machine of interest is the 17" MacBookPro. The other two MacBookPros you are considering have no expresscard slot and come only with glossy screens - both are serious deficiencies in my world.
I do plan on using this computer professionally. I am a recent college graduate but do have professional FCS editing experience under my belt. However my work was done using both school and employer resources. I do have an archive of work in Mini DV(HDV) and AVCHD formats. I don't currently own an HD camera, however will likely be purchasing one in the near future. As far as externally monitoring HD material, what else would I need other than the 24" external monitor (perfectly capable of full HD) or a separate HDTV? In addition to several older usb2 external drives for backup I do have a 1TB 7200rpm external capable of FW800 and eSATA that I would use as a media drive.
I currently have an old 17" dell notebook with a glossy screen. The screen hasn't really bothered me, but the size and weight of the notebook has. And while the 17" MBP is a little lighter and smaller than my old dell, I would still prefer a 13" or 15". But from the opinions I've been hearing I'm steering away from the 13" and fully realize the downsides to the lack of ExpressCard slot in the current 15" as well. Still wondering while Apple decided to remove it.
MartinR wrote:
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As far as I can see, this means that editing AVCHD means loss of data. Because the film must be recoded to another technical standard, which has lower resolution.
And after creating an HDV file, it may be relevant to turn that file into BLU-RAY, which should mean one more change of technical standard. Right?
How to minimize loss of information?
And yes, I understand that if I first create one HDV file, and then cut away part of it, there will be a new recoding, which should mean more loss of information.There would be virtually no loss of data in interpolating frame size. Certainly no more so than in going from AVCHD or HDV to BluRay disc.
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Multiple Hard Drives for Video Editing with Premiere Elements 8?
I'm using Premiere Elements 8 for video editing. These are the specs I'm using:
The camcorder I used to shoot the footage is a Sony Handycam with model number HDR-SR12. It's a digital HD video camera recorder that shoots in NTSC 1920x1080i HD recording. The footage was shot with AVC HD 9M (HQ), which records in higher image quality mode. The video camera is connected to my computer through a USB cable.
The computer itself is a Windows 7 desktop computer. The CPU is an HP Pavilion Elite HPE-150f PC with Intel Core i7-860 processor. I imported the video into Premiere by selecting "File" --> "Get Media From" and then choosing the third option from the top.
My import option is NTSC/AVCHD/Full HD 1080i 30 5.1 channel, which matches the specs of the camera I shot the footage with.
Even with the patch 8.0.1 that should be preventing crashing, the program keeps crashing upon startup with one specific video project. Using the exact same video files for that project, I recreated the video, with Elements, and never ran into the problem. Both times, I had the patch installed.
At the moment, I am using only the single internal hard drive for everything (software, OS, video editing, etc.). It is 1 TB in size. However, I am informed that one hard drive is not recommended for video editing, and that I need at least two hard drives, one for OS and one specifically for video editing. I was also informed of FireWire 800 and eSata; however, it does not appear that my computer supports eSata.
Can this problem be resolved if I have an external hard drive and connect it to my computer with FireWire 800 (which the computer supports)? If not, what can be done so this problem doesn't arise in the future?
Thanks for the help.staring-into-space wrote: My import option is NTSC/AVCHD/Full HD 1080i 30 5.1 channel, which matches the specs of the camera I shot the footage with.
When you import the footage is there a red line across the whole of the timeline?
staring-into-space wrote:
I recreated the video, with Elements, and never ran into the problem.
As you have the recreated project working fine I'd be inclined to put this down as a one-off glitch. If it happens again on a different project then it may be more worrying. You may want to consider using save-as to create multiple versions of your project (note this does NOT duplicate the source clips - so you won't be eating up much extra disk space). You could for example use save-as to create a daily version - ProjectName-Mon, ProjectName-Tue etc....
Cheers,
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Hello People
I am seeking for medium price, new laptop with firewire , and efficient in compression of video material. I can spend 600$ for it .krakers wrote:
Hello People
I am seeking for medium price, new laptop with firewire , and efficient in compression of video material. I can spend 600$ for it .
Look for a laptop with the fastest CPU and largest amount of hard drive space you can find. Also, if you're editing HD video, look for one that has a 1920x1080 display - but you won't likely find that at a $600 price point. However since you mention Firewire I assume you're still editing standard definition MiniDV video, which fortunately isn't too CPU-intensive to work with. (I guess some HDV cameras combine high-def and Firewire, but these are fairly rare - AVCHD is far more common.)
Graphics chipset doesn't matter much for video editing. These days, the only thing differentiating GPUs is 3D rendering performance. For 2D work, every chipset out there is more than sufficient.
*disclaimer* I am not now, nor have I ever been, an employee of Best Buy, Geek Squad, nor of any of their affiliate, parent, or subsidiary companies. -
I've got AVCHD into iMovie '09 and edited it, now how do I see it on the TV
OK, so I got the AVCHD off my new Canon Vixia HFS100 (no problem there) and have successfully edited the video, adding titles, etc. Now what? Can't export it back to the camcorder and view it. Tried loading this ENORMOUS file (70Gb for 11 minutes) to my iBook and playing it via cables to the TV but it was very choppy and not very good quality. Tried burning it to DVD but the downcoding was so steep that the quality was awful. I've heard that apple TV might permit streaming of high def video. I've heard that I can burn AVCHD directly to DVD as a AVCHD file which is viewable on certain bluray players. Any other ideas? I know I can hook the camcorder directly up to the really sweet Sony highdef TV, but what about the stupid scenes that you want to edit out before you view the images. Hard to believe that there isn't a means to take, edit, and view HD video by now.
No unfortunately it won't open in quicktime either. It does the same thing that Imovie does, separates it into two file folders audio and video, and if i select video it opens to reveal 8 files that cannot be selected. VIDEO_TS.BUP, VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.VOB,VTS_01_0.BUP, VTS_01_0.IFO, VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VB, VTS_01_3.VOB. All of which cannot be opened or selected.
Opening it in Idvd and folllowing your suggestion works and I get a format code of NTSC. Is that the same? Thank you for your time and response.
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