Black frame on ProRes 422 multicam export

No issues when watching a project in PP but when exporting within PP get a random black frame in export. Re exported several times and black frame would move to different parts of the video. Tried flattening cams, no fix. Previosuly to issue -- updated CC 2014, CUDA driver update. Music Video had 5 cameras, 1 track of audio. - have some effects in the project like blurs with dissolves. Plays back beautifully, h.264 files were fine. Just when exporting final version to client did this occur. Tried new sequence, no difference. Only fix was a ProRes 422 HQ file. Really didnt need HQ, standard was what was requested. footage is native canon dslr 7D and 5D footage. Any ideas? Also, weirdly I have to change the default codec from GO Pro Cinema to ProRes 422. I'm sure there are a million variables but wanted to see if anyone had stumbled on this and had a suggestion.
New Mac Power book with 1 TB ssd.
Maxed ram and gfx.
External FW800 drive.
latest update to PP CC 2014
ProRes 422 1920x1080
generic QuickTime profiles for 1080
don't have specific settings handy

#1 - You shouldn't be using ProRes HQ. All you are doing is doubling the amount of space the footage takes up. HQ is really meant for 2K footage or higher...stuff projected on a BIG screen. If this is going to DVD...SD DVD or BluRay, then regular ProRes will be your best option.
#2 - Are you looking at this footage on an HDTV? That is the only way to really tell what your footage will look like. Because the way FCP shows the footage, and QT shows it, are different. QT typically brightens the picture so that it will be viewable on most monitors. BUT, if you choose the FCP COLOR COMPATIBILITY in the QT preferences, it will show you what FCP shows you. And if this is too dark, then you need to color correct it to be how you want it to look. BUT! You cannot judge what the footage will look like on a computer monitor. It is VASTLY different that what an HDTV, or regular TV, will show you. You need to get the signal to the HDTV (HD capture card) and then color correct the footage to look the way you want it to look.
#3 - Avoid HQ. Seemed like it needed repeating.
Shane

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have Presets = PAL DV
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Steve

Hello ATR
Thanks for coming back to me.
This is wahat you posted:
Steve
If you can get PAL footage for your .mov fine. If not, and you are left with the NTSC counterpart, here is the plan (grand plan or dud). Let us see
Import your 640 x 480 @ 30 frames per second into Premiere Elements with the NTSC DV Standard project preset (you will probably have to set the project preset yourself manually before you import the file...to do that File Menu/New/Project, change the project preset to NTSC DV Standard, and, before exiting the new project dialog, make sure that you have a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Setting on This Project". Then import your file with Add Media/Project Assets.
In Project Assets, right click the thumbnail for the file there and select Interpret Footage. In the Frame Rate section of the Interpret Footage dialog, dot "Assume this frame rate" and fill in 25.00. Leave the rest as is which should be with Pixel Aspect Ratio = Square Pixels (1.0).
When you are ready to export, give the following a try:
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have Presets = PAL DV
under the Advanced Button/Video Tab set
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Frame Height = 576 pixels
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Field Type = Progressive
Aspect = Square Pixels (1.0)
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At playback, check the quality of the video and audio as well as flow of the motion.
We will be watching for your results.
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ATR
Is that what you mean?
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How long should a ProRes 422 HQ render take?

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MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB RAM 1333 MHz DDR3
Running on Osx 10.7.5
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Thanks, Tom.
Can you explain what you mean by don't Compress twice?
If my original stuff is RED RAW 4K (for the most part), should I do the Master File export as ProRes 422 HQ at the maximum file size? And then open the saved file in Compressor? Or are you saying just send it to Compressor from FCPX without exporting?
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I just let an Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) export go for four hours. At the end, there was no error message. There was also no movie. My sequence settings are for Apple Pro Res 422 (HQ) as well. What happened?

were you doing a file: export: quicktime movie (NOT quicktime conversion) with current settings?
Have you done a search on your hard drives for the file name?
Was your target drive formatted macosextended? Some pc drive formats have a file size limit which might have caused a problem.
You might try doing a short export by marking an in and out in the timeline and see if that works.

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I've been making a movie, shot in HDV 25p. In the timeline, everything plays fine, but when converted to ProRes422 via 'export to Quicktime Movie', I get black (dropped?) frames every now and then, on an irregular basis. Can be every 40 frames or every 90, but they're all over the movie. Worse still: the last 10 seconds of the movie are 'lost' in the QT-version, it comes to a freeze frame while the sound runs on.
When I make the QT movie with a different setting (HDV-25p instead of ProRes422), the end is allright, but I still keep getting the black frames. Of course these black frames are visible in the movie, it looks like the movement stutters.
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I never experienced this before, although I used this workflow several times.
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Concertpix wrote:
...Now render before exporting to QT, I suppose?
You don't really have to. Exporting is kinda the same as rendering. Only thing is that if you do not render before export, FCP does not 'remember' this rendering.
If you think you'll needs parts of the render files later, you might render first.
Others in this forum do deliberately throw away the renders before they export, in order to avoid artifacts. Personally I prefer to see rendered footage before I export. I can see what I am sending to the export-application then. Haven't have any trouble so far.
So. It's up to you.
Rienk

Black frames after export in Premiere CC 2014

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I am getting black frames in my exported video from Premiere CC 2014 and Media Encoder CC 2014. This is my first project in the CC 2014 suite, but in CC I never had this problem. When exporting directly from Premiere or queued from Media Encoder, black frames appear at random through out my video. I am using presets H264 HD 720 29.97 and Vimeo 720 29.97. My sequence is ProRes 422 1080 29.97. I am downscaling the final product for online.
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I'm having a problem when exporting a "QuickTime Movie" from FCP6 with a ProRes 422 sequence. The exported footage is very "cloudy" and washed out. When I export to an .mp4 from FCP6 as a QuickTime Conversion, it's not as bad, but the contrast is still way too bright. I'm at a loss as to why this is happening. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance!!!

I too use a Canon mark II and post at cinema5D.com all the time. You might find some helpful resources there for shooting and handling the footage from that camera. I suggest this because you said the Sony HDV camera looks OK compared to the 5D footage. My 5D footage beats all my HDV cameras in highlight detail so this is suspicious.
The 5D is a challenging (and rewarding) camera but the exposure system is hard to manage. It is possible your footage was over exposed in-camera. If not, you can try running the footage through Apple Color and check the video scopes. Areas around the faces should be around 55 to 65 IRE in the Waveform monitor. Your display might need to be calibrated. This would explain the difference between the computer monitor and the TV output. It is also possible you have not updated Quicktime. There was a big update to QuickTime which fixed the way the Canon h264 files are interpreted and this fixed most issues like the ones you are describing.
Your camera also should have the latest firmware update from Canon which added manual controls in the M mode. Without this, the camera is constantly changing its exposure during the clip and will tend to blow out highlight details easily if there is a predominance of dark colors in the scene.
Also, you can try enabling highlight tone priority on the camera, which is sort of like a Black Stretch mode on some camcorders which adds a stop of highlight detail.
Regardless, the fact that it looks the same in all mediums except your computer monitor suggests the problem is a poorly calibrated monitor. I'll bet your footage is not properly exposed, but for some reason it appears to be this way on a dimly set monitor. Forgive me if I've over simplified the problem.
One last test you can do is change your compression settings to Animation and render just a few frames. Don't do too many, because the file will be huge. Animation doesn't use any color management (this is called absolute colormetrics) wherein the ProRes and h264 CODEC's are relative colormetric. If the footage still looks wrong in animation compression, you can eliminate the gamma shift/color management from your list of culprits. Hope that helps you figure this out.

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I'll have to respond in an unordered fashion, just to try to make sense in my reply.
I was using ProRes 422 HQ because I found three options in ClipWrap and had to make a quick decision based on two minutes research and having found by trying it that 422 HQ files were only about 25% bigger than 422 files, I figured I had nothing to lose - especially as the workflow I WILL BE employing does not require permanent storage of the files and I now have 1TB external space for media archive storage and over 600GB internal space for ongoing projects. I might as well use the highest quality.
The reason I suspected the rendering files is that they were being used by FCP in the export of the project - evident in the fact that it takes almost three hours to save an unrendered sequence vs about six minutes to export a rendered sequence. Therefore, being unaware of the inherant problem you mention, I think it was reasonable to guess that a forced re-rendering might have sorted it out.
Yes, with 20/20 hindsight, it might have been quicker but, again being unaware of the issue you mention - which I shall have to look into - it seemed like a small problem which ought to have a had a simple answer. But now I know better.
I have, incidentally, discovered that all the dissolves I inserted have very similar problems.
And, to answer your first point last, I have already gone down that path - I'm just waiting for the results.
Could you perhaps point me at some article where I can read about the inherant problems of H.264, please?

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First off, ProRes HQ is VASTLY OVERKILL for converted flash video. That is for 10-bit high end formats. All you gain in using that over ProRes 422 is file size.
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http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2320
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