Bpm usage

Hi,
I have a scenario where Legacy sends out a file and the data goes into the sap tables. All the fields that legacy sends are not being used in ECC. Validations have to be done at the ECC end and two fields in the sender structure which are error code and error description have to be filled out and the file has to be send back to legacy.
The issue is while sending back, ECC becomes the sender and legacy the receiver. While doing the mapping, I donot have all the fields being mapped on the receiver because they have not been used when legacy sends them. The situation is that the file has to look exactly like the way it was send except those two fields to be added upon validation.
Do I need to have BPM for this ?
Is there anyway I could do without using BPM ?
Much appreciated.

If you are using asynchronous proxy then how are you sending back the response to XI?
Are you calling an oubbound proxy inside inbound proxy? If yes, then...
1. I suggest you to use synchronous inbound proxy along with BPM so that you can send the response to legacy otherwise it will be not possible to send the response back to your legacy system.
2. You can also use RFC (if you dont have any standard RFC then create your own ZRFC). Here is an example with BPM..
/people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
OR
3. You can also achieve this without BPM.. here are some examples of FILE-RFC-FILE..
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/XI/File-RFC-File%28Without+BPM%29

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System A is sending mutiple messages to XI and every message has a node called TEVEN which has line Items. The TEVEN is repeated and based on EId value. The receiver has to be decided, that means a single message can have multiple same Eid which has to be colleted in one set of Message and XI will keep on receiving such messages for 30 minutes and after the same grouping from all messages and their payload being done a file will be created to different Receivers (in case of Eid 1 the receiver will be System A in case of Eid 2 the receiver will be System B)
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Hi,
If you have collect the messages till 30 mins and then create a file then i see you have to use BPM only.
You can use the correlation for different Eid, or you can use the option of Enhanced Receiver Determination.
The help for both is available on SDN.
with regards,
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Doubts on BPM

Hi, one of my clients has deep interest in BPM.
He'd like to manage processes over different system like IBM-Machines, SAP-Systems, simple File-Server etc.
These processes should be controlled via SAP XI, especially via BPM (BPE).
But i have some doubts if it is really that simple like u read in SAP-Description.
I have no experience on that issue so can someone who has deep knowledge of BPM give me his opinion on this topic?!
br Jens

Hi,
If its for a client you need to present BPM usages with a high level example, which involves different system. As you mentioned (IBM-Machines, SAP-Systems, simple File-Server etc.).
So better have a look at the documentation and there are some good blogs on BPM with advantages and limitations.
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https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/4cc81a71-0701-0010-f187-c29c9bf92841
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/daea5871-0701-0010-12aa-c3a0c6d54e02
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm - Walk through BPM
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm - Schedule BPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/62/dcef46dae42142911c8f14ca7a7c39/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/de/766840bf0cbf49e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
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>>>>3. Use a BPM to trigger the control report either pre or post file processing
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Andy,
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Hi folks,
I have a question about the usage of own container variables within the transform step of a BPM.
I want to know whether I can get the actual content of such a container variable within the mapping being done in the transform step.
I have been looking into this forum upon related topic(s) but somehow they all seemed to go about being able to get standard values like messageID etc within the transform step and NOT about getting your own variables ... It is clear that getting those standard variables will not work directly ( not without actually getting them into an XML payload before entering the BPM) ...
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Hi,
>>>So basically I want to define global BPM variables, populate them with some content during BPM execution and then at some point reference those container variables in the mapping ( prob via java code ) in a transform step ... Is that supported ?
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hi,
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/e3/3355d5617d0a4cb0fe8e042c752caa/content.htm
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Usage of sync-asyn bridge problem in BPM in particular scenario

scenario is to send a Stock availability check from one suboffice to other suboffice which does not involve any R/3 activities.
I need to send SOAP request to XI, BPM receives request through synchronous interface.
BPM has to send request to DB through synchronous interface and gets response
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3) what are all the message interfaces i have to create
4) abt Integration Directory activities.
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I have created these things as of now , but problem in interface mapping
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1)DT_Soap_request
2)DT_Soap_response
3)DT_Jdbc_request
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corresponding message types
1)MT_Soap_request
2)MT_Soap_response
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Usage of SQL and SQLQuery Component Oracle BPM 10g

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Hello,
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Processing large volume of idocs using BPM Processing

Hi,
I have a scenario in which SAP R/3 sends large volume say 30,000 DEBMAS Idocs to XI. XI then sends data to 3 legacy systems using jdbc adapter.
I created a BPM Process which waits for 4 hrs to collect all the idocs. This is what my BPM does:
1. Wait for 4 hrs Collect the idocs
2. For every idoc do a IDOC->JDBC Message transformation.
3. Append to a Big List
4. Loop at the Big list from step 4 and in the loop for
5. Start counter from 0 and increment. Append to a Small List.
6. if counter reaches 100 then send a Batch JDBC Message in send step.
7. Reset counter after every send.
8. Process remaining list i.e if there was an odd count of say 5300 idoc then the remaining 53 idocs will be sent in anther block.
After sending 5000 idocs to above BPM following problems are there:
1. I cannot read the workflow log as system does not respond.
2. In the For Each loop which loops through the big list of say 5000 idocs only first pass of 100 was processed after that the workflow item is not moving ahead. It remains in the status as "STARTED" but I do not see further processing.
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Hi Ashish,
Please read SAPs Checklist for proper usage of BPMs: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/d92e428819da2ce10000000a1550b0/content.htm
One point i'm wondering about is why do you send the IDocs out of R/3 one by one and don't use packaging there? From a performance stand point this is much better than a bpm.
The SAP Checklist states the following:
"No Replacement for Mass Interfaces
Check whether it would not be better to execute particular processing steps, for example, collecting messages, on the sender or receiver system.
If you only want to collect the messages from one business system to forward them together to a second business system, you should do so by using a mass interface and not an integration process.
If you want to split a message up into lots of individual messages, also use a mass interface instead of an integration process. A mass interface requires only a fraction of the back-end system and Integration-Server resources that an integration process would require to carry out the same task. "
Also you might want to have a look at the IDoc packaging capabilities within XI (available since SP14 i believe): http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7a/00143f011f4b2ee10000000a114084/content.htm
And here is Sravyas good blog about this topic: /people/sravya.talanki2/blog/2005/12/09/xiidoc-message-packages
If for whatever reason you can't or don't want to use the IDoc packets from R/3 or XI there are other points on which you can focus for optimizing your process:
In the section "Using the Integration Server Efficiently" there is an overview on which steps are costly and which steps are not so costly in their resource consumption. Mappings are one of the steps that tend to consume a lot of resources and unless it is a multi mapping that can not be executed outside a BPM there is always the option to do the mapping in the interface determination either before or after the BPM. So i would sugges if your step 2 is not a multi mapping you should try to execute it before entering the BPM and just handle the JDBC Messages in the BPM.
Wait steps are also costly steps, so reducing the time in your wait step could potentially lead to better performance. Or if possible you could omitt the wait step and just create a process that waits for 100 messages and then processes them.
Regards
Christine

Multiple source messages in transformation step in bpm

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I am using a transformation step in bpm, I have two source messages and 1 target message, I got an error 'expression must return the interface type XXXX(in source message)', I checked my source message in interface mapping and the container element, the types do match.
All the interfaces in the OM as well as in the bpm container definition are of type abstract.
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I thought it might have something to do on how the message interfaces are selected in the operation mapping. so I tried to select the messages through the depencency path, but that was of no help either.
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Check the help page below for reference
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/en/27/db283fd0ca8443e10000000a114084/content.htm

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I've a BPM instance in QA which got logically deleted after entering into exception block .
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Now in QA, I've manually triggered the BPM from http-client and i couldn't see the latest version of BPM in the workflow (PE adapter in SXI_MONITOR). I could only see the older version (with Loop) and hence it again went into exception block. I tried triggering thrice but in vain.
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I have cheked SWF_XI_CUSTOMIZING, Maintain Runtime Environment is in red-cross mark.
I have performed automatic workflow customizing. Now everything is in green check mark.
Still my IP was in state 99 in sxi_cache.
But...
When i click my IP and click "Activation log" there i saw some warnings and 1 error.
To know more details on the error, i clicked "Display active version" and click "Syntax check" (Ctrl+F2)
Click on the error and we will be directed to the location where the error is.
I have rectified the error. (Error is related to improper usage of container variable)
I have activated the IP in DEV, transported to QA and checked SXI_CACHE.
For my surprise it's still 99! But i couldn't see namespace and repository name for my IP. I thought the cache is getting updated.
I had performed complete cache refresh and delta cache refresh.
Phew.., now my IP is in State 0
I had checked "Display active version" and it shows the latest version of IP.
Again I've stated manual triggering of IP thru http-client and this time it took the latest version.
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Check "Display active version" in SXI_CACHE before going to test IP.
After transport, wait for a while for the system to update the cache. If it's taking time, refresh cache manually.
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