Broadcast Safe not affecting reds

I've got a clip from graphics which has a big red caption on, going way out of gamut. If I apply the Broadcast Safe filter, set to Extremely Conservative, there is no change in the levels of the reds (nor the magentas). I've tried using RGB Limit, with the same effect.
I thought Broadcast Safe clamped the chroma output, so why isn't it working?
I checked the levels on an external scope.
Steve

Actually you can't really see with Final Cut Pro's scopes or waveform what's the total strength of composite signal in IREs. At least I'am not aware of. So there are some colors (red for example) which can go much deeper in vectorscope compared to some other colors and still being legal.
Did you check the gamut with external NTSCL/PAL gamut display? Because vectorscope can't really tell which colors are legal and which are not.
Broadcast Safe filter isn't working all times but I actually noticed after looking gamut with external scopes that many times when I thought it doesn't do anything, it actually made colors legal although I could barely see any difference with Final Cuts own scopes.
But as everyone else said you should get your colors close to legal (with 3-way CC etc.) and then add broadcast safe. Then it seems to work but for extreme colors it seems to fail sometimes. And I also recommend using both luma/chroma & RGB -limiting because nowadays material can be seen in so many different mediums (lcd, crt, web) that it's the only way to be quite sure it'll look as expected in all the possible situations.

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Interesting stuff Zebulun.
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are there out of Broadcast safe warnings in AE?
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Not to disagree at any level, but I find I use the Broadcast safe checkbox as a rule - just to provide a safety clamp that obviates the need to use our HD legalizer, which I think is a bit noisy. Of course it's not a grading tool as such - the whites always need to be assessed and levelled - but it means I can drive them a bit harder on occasion knowing I won't overshoot. The effect on a properly graded image should be imperceptible.
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