BW system copy with change of SID

Hi,
want to create a new system (Oracle) based on a source, but with a change of SID.
Is this possible via the full offline database copy method? Or just via the SAPinst export / import way?
Have got nearly there, but tablespace names contain the SID and there doesn't seem to be a way to rename these on Oracle 9.
Any ideas appreciated.
Andrey

Hi,
I would say use the export/import method. Not just because of the change of you tablespaces, but also the owner of these tablespaces sap<sid>. Technically you would probably have no problem, but it is very confusing. Plus, an export/import reorganizes your database, thus improving the performance!
Pascal.

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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]      using "S:\usr\sap\ED1\SYS\exe\uc\NTAMD64\dbhdbslib.dll"               35  0.006379
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  function DbSlExpFuns loaded from library dbhdbslib.dll                    52  0.006467
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  Version of 'dbhdbslib.dll' is "741.10", patchlevel (0.43)                111  0.006578
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  function dsql_db_init loaded from library dbhdbslib.dll                   39  0.006617
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  function dbdd_exp_funs loaded from library dbhdbslib.dll                  63  0.006680
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    81  0.006761
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=-1,command=39,arg_p=0000000000000000)            40  0.006801
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    29  0.006830
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=-1,command=10,arg_p=000000000221F280)            34  0.006864
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    29  0.006893
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  New connection 0 created                                                  25  0.006918
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  0: name = R/3, con_id = -000000001, state = DISCONNECTED, tx = NO , bc = NO , oc = 000, hc = NO , perm = YES, reco = NO , info = NO , timeout = 000, con_max = 255, con_opt = 255, occ = NO , prog = 
    4 ETW000                                                                                                  63  0.006981
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=-1,command=10,arg_p=0000000141FF5E40)            49  0.007030
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    30  0.007060
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  HDB shared library (dbhdbslib) patchlevels (last 10)                      37  0.007448
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.031) New DBCON syntax for HANA (note 1983389)                        50  0.007530
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.027) Set DBAREQ class (note 1991383)                                 35  0.007616
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.022) Get database version via dbsl call (note 1976918)               36  0.007652
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.020) FDA: Core Dump in SELECT ... FOR ALL ENTRIES for tables with strings (note 1970276)
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.020) SQL DDL with data aging (note 1897636)                          35  0.007740
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.017) Datatype NCLOB missing in tablesize calculation (note 1952609)
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.014) Tablesize calculation for HANA optimized (note 1952609)         36  0.007828
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    (0.014) Native SQL UPSERT with DataAging (note 1897636)                 32  0.007860
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]                                                                            22  0.007882
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> init()                                                                33  0.007915
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]    STATEMENT_CACHE_SIZE = 1000                                            212  0.008127
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> init()                                                               615  0.008742
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> loadClientRuntime()                                                   46  0.008788
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  Loading SQLDBC client runtime ...                                         31  0.008819
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  SQLDBC Module  : S:\usr\sap\ED1\hdbclient\libSQLDBCHDB.dll              1327  0.010146
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  SQLDBC Runtime : libSQLDBCHDB 1.00.80.00 Build 0391861-1510               84  0.010230
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  SQLDBC client runtime is 1.00.80.00.0391861                               50  0.010280
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> getNewConnection()                                                    37  0.010317
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   <- getNewConnection(con_hdl=0)                                          100  0.010417
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> checkEnvironment(con_hdl=0)                                           53  0.010470
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> connect(con_info_p=0000000000000000)                                  42  0.010512
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  Try to connect via secure store (DEFAULT) on connection 0 ...             86  0.010598
    4 ETW000  [dbhdbsql.cpp,00000]  *** ERROR => Connect to database failed, rc=1, rcSQL=10                11122  0.021720
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  SQLCODE    : 10                                                           68  0.021788
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  SQLERRTEXT : invalid username or password:                                40  0.021828
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> SetSdbDbslCA(errcode=10)                                              41  0.021869
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]   -> freeConnection(con_hdl=0)                                             43  0.021912
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]     close all opened locators of connection 0                              60  0.021972
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    4 ETW000  [    dblink  ,00000]  ***LOG BY2=>sql error 10     performing CON                               68  0.022105
    4 ETW000  [    dblink  ,00000]  ***LOG BY0=>invalid username or password:                                 35  0.022140
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=0,command=41,arg_p=0000000140541C48)            107  0.022247
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    79  0.022326
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=0,command=14,arg_p=0000000002215998)             38  0.022364
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    28  0.022392
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=0,command=50,arg_p=0000000002215990)             33  0.022425
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    43  0.022468
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=0,command=13,arg_p=00000000022159B0)             35  0.022503
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    27  0.022530
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  { DbSlHDBControl(con_hdl=0,command=52,arg_p=0000000002215A00)             33  0.022563
    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  } DbSlHDBControl(rc=0)                                                    28  0.022591
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    4 ETW000  [     dev trc,00000]  release memory of the STATEMENT CACHE                                     91  0.025582

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