Calibrated monitor profile 'clips' shadow detail in RAW images

I've been using the Pantone Huey color calibration tool and like it except for one small problem. When viewing RAW images from my Canon 5D in Aperture the shadow areas are 'clipped' and really look crappy. If I do ANY adjustment to the exposure, shadows/highlights, levels, etc. a lot of shadow detail becomes apparent. It's especially noticeable on darker images. This only happens with RAW images from my 5D, and only when I have my Huey profile selected. Aperture and the Huey software are all the most recent versions.
Even if I turn the brightness DOWN shadow detail suddenly pops into life. So the first thing I do when loading in all my photos is to do a batch brightness adjust +.01, or a batch tweak of the levels by .1. See for yourself... Apple, when are you going to fix this odd issue? I've been plagued with it for over a year now and it's getting to be a real pain. Thanks.
Example:
http://www.johnnydanger.net/temp/clipped_blacks.jpg

I'd really like to understand your post because absolute vs. relative black point sound very close.
The terms absolute and relative are used to describe different rendering intents (abs. vs. rel. colorimetric). Black point compensation (BPC) is another option when choosing rendering intents.
The only conversions Aperture does [that are relevant here] are between its internal color space (which is unknown) and the monitor color space and between the internal space and the one it exports into (eg, Adobe RGB in my tests). I have not seen an operating system or application that lets you choose the rendering intent for conversion into the monitor space and Aperture is no exception. Since Aperture uses the preferred intent of a profile for printing it presumably does so as well for displaying (in my case this would be perceptual).
Now since the darkest point of the internal color space is probably lower than that of the display using perceptual, or relative with BPC, or absolute should ensure that all shadow detail is visible. Since Aperture (and other apps) possibly honor the rendering intent of the monitor profile it might be that Aperture is mistakingly using relative without BPC before I check the Levels box and only after that switch on the BPC. Forcing the application to always use BPC or using absolute as the preferred rendering intent might therefore prevent you from encountering the problem.
Does what I just said make sense. No, not really but then I don't really know how these apps work internally. And neither do my printing results with a number of labs [10 10 10] is always indistinguishable from pure black.

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Lightroom 5 ICC profiles clipped shadows under OSX

Hi, I've just found a really bad issue occurring in Lr 5 (but also in all other Lightroom versions) under Mac OSX 10.9 with a calibrated monitor: dark shadows (from a value of 20 to 0) are all clipped (pure black with no detail and no textures) while the histogram remains ok, indicating NO clipped shadows at all. This issue afflics also ACR.
Photoshop for now is the only software under MAC that reproduces dark shadows correctly: Library Module shows a bit darker and shifted shadows than Ps but acceptable, Develop Module is really bad showing brutally clipped shadows (but you work in the Develop Module right?!).
The same problem occurred also in OSX 10.8 but it was related only to LUT profiles, creating a Matrix based profile problems were solved.
Now the issue occurs with both Matrix and LUT profiles, v2 and v4. There's no apparent way to make Lr working right.
Under Windows no problems at all: Bridge, Photoshop, ACR, Lr (Library Module and Develop Module) show the same correct NOT clipped shadows.
I tested 8 different Mac running 10.9 with different GPU, different monitors, different profiling Softwares (Color Eyes Display Pro, Eizo Color Navigator, BasICC Color, i1 Profiler). Same results.
I tried to change the gamma value (2.2, sRGB, L*) problems remain. I tried to change ICC version (v2, v4) problems reamain. I tried to change profile type (LUT, MATRIX) problems remain.
How can a photographer work professionally on RAW images if shadows are bad reproduced?
Why Photoshop can reproduce shadows correctly while Lr isn't able to do that?
Why this happens only on a Mac enviroment?
Is Lr based on ColorSync (that can't handle profiles correctly) while Ps isn't (because it can handle and it has no problem)?
Please Adobe, FIX IT for all professional photographers, we can’t use Lr for serious works under Mac.
Max Ramuschi
Adobe Certified Expert

There are numerous posts concerning display issues after upgrading to Mavericks OS X 10.9 (see below). After reading these posts it appears Apple has done something to the graphics drivers that raises the color saturation level and increases contrast. Why LR has this issue and PS doesn't is still a mystery. My guess is that PS isn't affected because it's using Open GL for creating the display output data (LR does not use Open GL). It's pretty clear to me this is an Apple OS X issue and not LR.
https://discussions.apple.com/message/23495418#23495418
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/10/22/225215/os-x-109-mavericks-review
"Basically, the sRGB spec is no longer sRGB, and colour managed applications that use ColorSync are completely hosed. Almost everything is more saturated then it should be. Towers of bug reports have been filed on this alone and absolutely nobody has received a response from Apple, which makes me think it's some retarded "stylistic choice" of theirs to literally try and make the OS "look better" (it doesn't)."
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1651041
"A lot of icons in and throughout Mavericks (including icons in the Finder and icons in System Preferences) are rendering "darker" then normal. You can actually screenshot this and it'll show up. I've attached an example of this from the iTunes icon- 10.9 is on the right, 10.8 is on the left."
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1649988&highlight=saturation
"Yes, they have adjusted the default saturation level. This seems hard coded as but I actually prefer it as it makes thing "pop" more."

Fully Color Managed Application (using calibrated monitor profiles)

Hi,
I'm new to JAVA 2D so I may be missing something obvious - apologies if I am, but I've been trawling the API and web to try and solve this for many hours - so any help would be much appreciated!
I'm trying to write an application to open a JPEG with an embedded colour profile (in this case AdobeRGB) and display it with correct colour on my monitor, for which I have an accurate custom hardware calibrated profile. In my efforts to do this several problems / queries have arisen.
So, JAVA aside, the concept is simple:
a) Open the image
b) Transform the pixels from AdobeRGB->Monitor Profile (via a PCS such as CIEXYZ).
c) Blit it out to the window.
(a) is fine. I've used the following code snip, and can query the resulting BufferedImage and see it has correctly extracted the AdobeRGB profile. I can even display it (non-color corrected) using the Graphics2D.drawImage() function in my components paint() method.
BufferedImage img = ImageIO.read(new File("my-adobe-rgb.jpg"));(b) Also seems OK (well at least no exceptions)...
ICC_Profile monitorProfile = ICC_Profile.getInstance("Monitor_Calibrated.icm");
    ColorConvertOp convert = new ColorConvertOp(new ICC_ColorSpace(monitorProfile ),null);
    BufferedImage imgColorAdjusted = convert.filter(img,null);[I was feeling hopeful at this point!]
QUESTION 1: Does this conversion go through the CIEXYZ (I hope) rather than sRGB, there seems to be no way to specify and the docs are not clear on this?
(c) Here is the major problem...
When I pass imgColorAdjusted to the Graphic2D.drawImage() in my components paint() method the JVM just hangs and consumes 100% CPU.
QUESTION 2: Any ideas why it hangs?
Pausing in the debugger I found the API was busy transforming by image to sRGB this leads to my third question...
QUESTION 3: If I pass an image with a color model to drawImage() does drawImage do any color conversion, e.g will it transform my adobe image to sRGB (not what I want in this case!)?
And if answer to Q3 is yes, which I suspect it is, then the next question is how to make the J2D understand that I have a calibrated monitor, and to tell it the profile, so that the Graphics2D it provides in paint() has the correct color model. Looking in the API I thought this was provided to J2D through the GraphicsEnviroment->GraphicsDevice->GraphicsConfiguration.getColorModel(). I tried looking at what these configurations were (code below). Result - 10 configurations, all with the JAVA 2D sRGB default, despite my monitor colour management (through the windows display properties dialog) being set to the calibrated profile.
QUESTION 4: Am I just off track here - does Java 2D support monitor profiles other than sRGB? Is what I am trying possible?
GraphicsConfiguration[] cfg = GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment().getDefaultScreenDevice().getConfigurations();
    System.out.println(cfg.length);
    byte[] d;
    for (int j=0; j<cfg.length; j++) {
      System.out.println("CFG:"+j+cfg[j]);
      d = ((ICC_ColorSpace)cfg[j].getColorModel().getColorSpace()).getProfile().getData();
      for (int i=0; i<d.length && i<256; i++){
        if (d[i] != 10 && d[i] != 13){
          System.out.print((char)d);
System.out.println();
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks.

I have had some sucess with this, but it wasn't easy or obvious. The trick is converting the color to the monitor profile and then changing the color model to be sRGB without changing the pixel data. JAI's Format operation does this easily although I'm sure there are other ways to do it. The RGB data is then displayed without being converted to sRGB so that the monitor calibration is maintained. I will answer your questions since I had similar ones.
Q1. Yes the conversion is done using XYZ as it should be.
Q2. I believe paint is just very slow, not hanging. Any color model other than XYZ or sRGB requires conversion before it can be displayed (as sRGB). This is both slow and incorrect for a calibrated monitor.
Q3. Yes that is what I have found, a conversion to sRGB will always happen, unless it appears to be already done as when the color model is sRGB (even though the pixel data is not!).
Q4. It is possible but apparently only with this somewhat strange work around. If there is a way to change the Java display profile to be other than sRGB, I could not find it either. However, calibrated RGB display can be achieved.
Since I have seen many other posts asking for an example of color management, here is some code. This JAI conversion works for many pairs of source and destination profiles including CMYK to RGB. It does require using ICC profiles in external files rather than embedded in the image.
package calibratedrgb;
import com.sun.media.jai.widget.DisplayJAI;
import java.awt.*;
import java.awt.color.*;
import java.awt.image.*;
import java.io.IOException;
import javax.media.jai.*;
import javax.swing.*;
* @author keitht
public class Main {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws IOException {
        String filename = args[0];
        PlanarImage pi = JAI.create("fileload", filename);
        // create a source color model from the image ICC profile
        ICC_Profile sourceProfile = ICC_Profile.getInstance("AdobeRGB1998.icc");
        ICC_ColorSpace sourceCS = new ICC_ColorSpace(sourceProfile);
        ColorModel sourceCM = RasterFactory.createComponentColorModel(
                pi.getSampleModel().getDataType(), sourceCS, false, false,Transparency.OPAQUE);
        ImageLayout sourceIL = new ImageLayout();
        sourceIL.setColorModel(sourceCM);
        // tag the image with the source profile using format
        RenderingHints sourceHints = new RenderingHints(JAI.KEY_IMAGE_LAYOUT, sourceIL);
        ParameterBlockJAI ipb = new ParameterBlockJAI("format");
        ipb.addSource(pi);
        ipb.setParameter("datatype", pi.getSampleModel().getDataType());
        pi = JAI.create("format", ipb, sourceHints);
        // create a destination color model from the monitor ICC profile
        ICC_Profile destinationProfile = ICC_Profile.getInstance("Monitor Profile.icm");
        ICC_ColorSpace destinationCS = new ICC_ColorSpace(destinationProfile);
        ColorModel destinationCM = RasterFactory.createComponentColorModel(
                pi.getSampleModel().getDataType(), destinationCS, false, false, Transparency.OPAQUE);
        ImageLayout destinationIL = new ImageLayout();
        destinationIL.setColorModel(destinationCM);
        // convert from source to destination profile
        RenderingHints destinationHints = new RenderingHints(JAI.KEY_IMAGE_LAYOUT, destinationIL);
        ParameterBlockJAI cpb = new ParameterBlockJAI("colorconvert");
        cpb.addSource(pi);
        cpb.setParameter("colormodel", destinationCM);
        pi = JAI.create("colorconvert", cpb, destinationHints);
        // image is now the calibrated monitor RGB data ready to display, but
        // an unwanted conversion to sRGB will occur without the following...
        // first, create an sRGB color model
        ColorSpace sRGB = ColorSpace.getInstance(ColorSpace.CS_sRGB);
        ColorModel sRGBcm = RasterFactory.createComponentColorModel(
                pi.getSampleModel().getDataType(), sRGB, false, false, Transparency.OPAQUE);
        ImageLayout sRGBil = new ImageLayout();
        sRGBil.setColorModel(sRGBcm);
        // then avoid the incorrect conversion to sRGB on the way to the display
        // by using format to tag the image as sRGB without changing the data
        RenderingHints sRGBhints = new RenderingHints(JAI.KEY_IMAGE_LAYOUT, sRGBil);
        ParameterBlockJAI sRGBpb = new ParameterBlockJAI("format");
        sRGBpb.addSource(pi);
        sRGBpb.setParameter("datatype", pi.getSampleModel().getDataType());
        pi = JAI.create("format", sRGBpb, sRGBhints); // replace color model with sRGB
        // RGB numbers are unaffected and can now be sent without conversion to the display
        // disguised as sRGB data. The platform monitor calibration profile is bypassed
        // by the JRE because sRGB is the default graphics configuration color model profile
        JFrame frame = new JFrame();
        Container contentPane = frame.getContentPane();
        contentPane.setLayout(new BorderLayout());
        DisplayJAI d = new DisplayJAI(pi); // Graphics2D could be used here
        contentPane.add(new JScrollPane(d),BorderLayout.CENTER);
        frame.setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
        frame.setSize(600,600);
        frame.setVisible(true);
}

Possible to bypass monitor profile when displaying image?

After importing a large photo library into Aperture I noticed that when viewing images, they would change color and in a little under a second the colors looked significantly less "colorful and rich" than before. Sounds "subjective" but it really is not. There is definitely a transformation going on and the colors consistently become duller on every image viewed. It is especially noticeable in a album of images taken in the fall using a circular polarizer where the colors looked really great to begin with and then extremely dull after the transformation. I deleted all of the preview images and set aperture to not regenerate them. Still, same issue occurred. The issue occurs with both RAW and jpg images.
In Canon Image Browser on the Mac colors look great. It's easy to do an A to B comparison of the same file and see that it looks better in every case.
But what I've discovered is that I can get the same "dulling" result to occur using Canon's Image Browser 6.x software just by setting one option.
There is an option checkbox in Preferences that is disabled by default to "Adjust Image Colors Using A Monitor Profile." Prior to setting that option, the colors looked great, just like they looked on the camera LCD, and they same as they look on my PC also using Canon Image Browser software and Irfan view. The rich colors seen when not using monitor profile also match what I see in Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer browsers.
In Canon Image Browser when I set the checkbox to "Adjust Image Colors Using A Monitor Profile" the colors become very muted. They look identical to what I see in Aperture. Also, I can get the same effect to occur on the PC version of Canon Image Browser. Microsoft's "Windows Photo Viewer" seems to be monitor profile aware as it shows the same dull colors. "Windows Photo Viewer" offers no option that I can find to improve the look of the color. Maybe this is what you want if you're trying to print your images and have them match exactly what is seen on screen.
I have found that with Photoshop CS5 I can export a jpg to tiff which strips out the color space information and then voila the image "pops" when I bring it into aperture and looks the way it does in Canon Image Browser without using monitor profile. In fact you can really then compare within Aperture how big the difference is between the two, and the only thing I did was resave the image to a new file format without doing anything else in photoshop. It's not feasible to resave evertthing as tiff though.
So my main question is, is there a way within Aperture to bypass the monitor profile so I can see the images with the same colors as they are rendered in the majority of the other tools I use.

I've done some additional testing on a jpeg image.
Test 1:
Canon Image Browser: "Preferences/Adjust Image Colors Using a Monitor Profile" is unhecked
Photoshop CS5: "View/Proof Setup" is set to "Monitor RGB"
Aperture: "Onscreen Proofing" enabled and set to "Generic RGB" Additionally I've tried every other color profile available
Result: The colors look identically rich on Photoshop and Canon Image Browser. Aperture is the only tool I can't get to align with the rich colors.
Test 2
Canon Image Browser: "Preferences/Adjust Image Colors Using a Monitor Profile" is checked. Restart the software to apply change.
Photoshop CS5: "View/Proof Setup" is set to "Internet standard sRGB"
Aperture: "Onscreen Proofing" enabled and set to "sRGB"
Result: The colors match on all 3 tools. The color are very noticeably less rich than in Test 1.
I went ahead and previewed the image in the browsers on the Mac. Chrome and Firefox showed the color the same as Photoshop and Canon Image Browser did in Test 1 which looks better in my opinion.
For Safari color looks the same as Test 2.
Also Apple Preview looks the same as Test 2 no matter which soft proofing setting is applied.
I believe Adobe and Canon have the correct behavior and show either richer or duller colors depending on which "proofing" mode they are in. Only aperture so far cannot be made to do the richer colors.

Huey Pro Monitor Profile and Lightroom

I have saved a monitor profile on my computer, but don't understand how Lightroom uses that profile. I am currently using Epson and Ilford Paper on my Epson Stylus Pro 1400 and I have the correct color profiles for those papers.
My question is, if Lightroom does not manage the printing, what settings should be entered in the Epson Printer Setup to ensure that the printer is using my monitor profile in addition to the correct paper profile?

Wil-
First, what Jao said :)
Second: In regards to printing, a calibrated monitor profile gives us the best shot at a print looking like what we see on the screen, as long as when we print we have LR manage the color using the correct printer/paper profile and we turn off color management in the printer's driver.
If you have the printer manage color make sure that you tell LR to not manage color. In this case, the answer to your Printer Setup question is you have to choose whatever paper option most closely matches the paper you are using. Then, you have to go through a series of test prints and adjust your print driver color settings until they match what you see on the screen. You may have to alter those settings for different prints, to adjust for different image color balances.
It's really preferred to let LR do the color management, since you have both a monitor profile and a printer/paper profile.
Tony

Incorrect colors after importing a RAW image into LR

I shoot in RAW mode using Canon EOS 400D.
After importing RAW images into LR, EVERY image I shot gets oversaturated with green-yellow colors. If I open same image in C1 Pro colors look fine.
If I change shooting mode on my camera to JPG (using sRGB color space) and import image into LR, colors look same as on RAW image in C1 Pro. All settings in LR and C1 Pro are set to default.
My guess is that LR applies wrong (camera?) profile when it imports a RAW image. I don't think it's a difference in RAW converters, because the difference in colors is really huge.
In the Camera Calibration panel I see ACR 3.6 profile selected and all settings are set to 0. Using sliders I can correct colors on image, but I failed to make a generic preset that could be applied on all imported RAW images.
My monitor (Samsung 940BF) is setup to use manufacturer ICC profile. I tried to change it to sRGB or Adobe RGB, it doesn't help. I'm running Windows XP SP2.
Any thoughts on how to return colors back to normal?
Here are 2 examples of the same image converted by:
1. LR
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2. C1 Pro
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Morey,
there is no such options as "import settings into LR" you have to put the ACR-settings-file into the "~/Library/Adobe Lightroom/Develop Presets" folder (on a Mac). I think in the end its faster to just copy the numbers manually from ACR and save the preset from within LR.
No, I don't think that calibrating has anything to do with profiles, at least not from what I understand as a profile (like sRGB or ProPhoto profile). It is kind of changing the stored default calibration values for a given camera type (something which one of course could also call a profile). It is definitive not like doing any double profiling or so.
@Lee Jay,
on different forums you can find values for ACR camera calibration of different cameras, googling should reveal some. Problem is that the numbers for the calibration change with the lens and, more important, there seems to be a lot of leeway regarding the behaviour of individual cameras of the same model. I found a lot of numbers on the net which didn't work with my D70, in the end I had to calibrate it myself. But your experience might differ, so I would suggest that you just have a look at what google offers.
One last thing: You don't need to buy a PS version which is compatible with ACR 3.7 or 4.0. You can use the 30 day trial version of PS for this. Afterall you most probably only need to calibrate each camera once and I doubt that Adobe disapproves this use of a trial version as long as it helps to sell LR. ;-)
Bye,
Carsten

Every single time I power up photoshop CC get an error. says " the monitor profile "acer S201HL" appears to be defective. Please rerun your monitor calibration software. How do I fix this?

Every single time I power up photoshop CC get an error. says " the monitor profile "acer S201HL" appears to be defective. Please rerun your monitor calibration software. How do I fix this?

Your factory-supplied monitor profile, associated with your monitor by the operating system, is bad. It's more common than you'd think.
To avert the error:
Open the Color Management panel of your Windows operating system. In the Devices tab, if it is not already listed [ Add... ] the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile and [ Set as default Profile ].
After doing the above, log out of Windows and back in again, just to ensure everything's updated.
Note that the above assumes your monitor is more or less displaying color in the sRGB color space (sRGB is short for sRGB IEC61966-2.1). For many monitors this isn't a terribly wrong assumption.
If you want to ensure you have the most accurate color, consider buying a calibration and profiling device, which (with its associated software) can set your calibration and generate custom color profiles by doing actual measurements from your monitor. You'll want to take some time to get your mind around how color-management works, and that is not a trivial task. It's certainly well beyond what can be taught in a forum post by post.
Good luck.
-Noel

I am interested in mirroring my calibrated mac monitor to a led tv but the tv profile takes over and negates my monitor profile. I want both to be calibrated to the same standard. Suggestions?

I am interested in mirroring my calibrated mac monitor to a led tv but the tv profile takes over and negates my monitor profile. I want both to be calibrated to the same standard. Suggestions?

I am interested in mirroring my calibrated mac monitor to a led tv but the tv profile takes over and negates my monitor profile. I want both to be calibrated to the same standard. Suggestions?

Monitor profile applied twice?

Hi guys,
the colors in Lightroom (and Photoshop Elements 7 Raw import window as well) look green and flat. I could fix this problem in the PSE7 editor window by switching off the monitor color profile. But I cannot find any similar handle in LR and PSE7 raw importer. So, it seems to me that the monitor profile is applied twice -- once from LR/PSE (which assumes no further color treatment, so does the correction itself), and second the graphics card (which expects uncalibrated color informations as input).
Switching off calibration does not help either.
System is
Vaio VGN-AW31ZJ/F (Laptop, Wide Gamut display)
Windows Vista Home Premium
Datacolor Spyder 3 Pro, SW Version 3.2.1
I'm desperated... I mean, this is not such an unusual combination...
Please advice.

So, last night I've lost my patience with Windoze... All thesepop-ups and advanced and advanced-advanced andadvanced-advanced-advanced options in sub and sub-sub and sub-sub-sub dialogue boxes drive me nuts.... So, I'm back tothe good-old brute force methods:
From the discussionabove it is clear that (a) all I need is the monitor profile and(b) that the problem is related to the system (and not specific to LRor PSE7). Thus I simply have deleted all icc/icm files in the profiles directory, except the one from Spyder -- and surprise, surprise, the colors seem to be correct now (if meanwhile my eyes have not adapted to the wrong colors.....) Will have to cross-check with a printout and perhaps a "calibrated" proof print, if I can find one... But a priori, the test image looks fine now and is consistent with other monitor profile aware viewers. The colors also seems to be consistent with what I get on the Linux side when monitor profile management is enabled (difficult to compare directly in dual boot mode...).
After deleting the "useless files", I still saw a very slight green tint in test image. Then I played a bit with the rendering options perceptive/saturation/relative/absolute in the Windows system settings -- before I could reboot the machine (to make sure that there are no left-over settings floating around), just in this moment SP2 arrived. Switching back to the default settings (perceptive for photos) after installation of SP2, I cannot see the green tint anymore.
There's still some other junk in the Windows profile directory (wscRGB.cdmp, Photo.gmmp, D65.camp,...)... Dunno which harm this does. At least, Bill didn't let me delete it by default... Has anyone any clue what those files are about...?
I also have tried out the v2 ICC profiles. Actually, I was working all the time with v2, which is the default setting in my version of Spyder 3 Pro. However I don't see any difference in the outcome. (Okay, I didn't look at the rendering of the shadows in LR yet.).
Regarding Firefox 3.5, I don't see any problem with color management a in firefox yet. Just want to mention that you can change firefox's color management behavior by typing "about:config" in the URL and then scroll down to gfx.color_management. Here you can type in the name of the monitor profile (display_profile) as well as the "mode": mode is set to 2 by default, but folks report to get better (correct) results when setting mode to 1. Me, myself I haven't seen any difference here (yet). Actually, Jeffrey Friedl has very nice test pictures on pages 1 and 2 of this above mentioned Blog page where you don't need to guess whether CM works at all or whether it's right or wrong. For me, everything comes out correct.
PS: Graphics card is according to the spec sheet an "NVIDIA® GeForce® 9600M GT GPU".

How can I fix 'Monitor profile defective'?

Hi Guys, I really could use some help.
I have recently installed Photoshop Element 7 and on opening the editor get the dialogue ‘The monitor profile LGW2242 appears to be defective. Please rerun your monitor calibration software’. It also provides the options ‘ignore profile’ or ‘use anyway’.
My Monitor is an LG Flatron W2242S (OK I know it’s not exactly top of the range but it provides a nice big work space). LG support (that’s an oxymoron) (un)helpfully tell me that this is a problem with Photoshop which must be defective and have introduced a virus!
This issue appears to addressed on the Adobe website at http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/328/328054.html However, I note this advice applies to PS and not PSE. Am I right in assuming that Adobe Gamma is not a part of PSE7? I cannot find it anywhere on my computer, nor can I find anywhere on the Adobe site where Adobe Gamma is available as a download. Does the Adobe Color Management Module (CMM) supersede Adobe Gamma and/or do the same thing? http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3618
I have been through all the community threads, all the independent stuff on the web and I cannot find a solution to this problem - hence in desperation I am posting here.
Can anyone tell me
1.       Is Elements 7 supposed to ship with or include Adobe Gamma? Adobe website says AG ships with Elements but that may refer to earlier versions.
2.       If Elements 7 does not ship with Adobe Gamma are the two products compatible? If so it MIGHT still solve the problem according to the comments made about this problem with earlier versions.
3.       If they AG and AE7 are compatible WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD A COPY OF ADOBE GAMMA?
Am I only going to be able to solve this by upgrading to CS and/or buying a higher spec monitor or is this warning something that can just be ignored without affecting outcomes?
Thanks in anticipation
Peter

Adobe Gamma is no longer distributed with Adobe products. It was designed to help you visually calibrate CRT displays, and didn't produce good results with flat-panel displays. Ignore the tech note you found, and don't worry about trying to install Adobe Gamma.
The "profile defective" message is most likely caused by an LG monitor profile that either doesn't conform with industry standards, or it does conform, is incompatible with PSE. When PSE starts, you can safely click "ignore profile".
Color profiles tell software the color characteristics of individual scanners, printers, and displays. So-called "color-managed" programs use those profiles to reproduce color more accurately. Most programs on Windows are not fully color-managed, including most browsers, Windows Picture And Fax Viewer on XP, and Microsoft Office. Adobe PSE and Windows Photo Gallery and Live Photo Gallery are color-managed.
Some display manufacturers ship profiles that attempt to represent the "average" of that model of display.   But your individual display may differ a fair bit from that "average". That's why people who care about faithful color will use at least an inexpensive calibrator such as the Spider or Huey.
Moving forward, since PSE isn't able to use the LG display profile, and you probably aren't using any other color-managed programs, you could disassocate the profile from the display:
http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshopelements-6-7-faq.htm#_Colors_are_wrong
You could also go to the LG web site and see if they have an updated profile.

Defective Monitor Profile

Good People...
Just purchased a new monitor for the recording studio...an LG L227WTG FLATRON LCD. Went w/ the glossy screen technology (or whatever LG dubs it) in order to have mo better detail & clarity when working on the graphics side of the equation...Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.
But, speaking of Photoshop...when I open it now...I get a warning message that reads: The Monitor Profile "LG 227W" appears to be defective. Please rerun your monitor calibration software.
What does this mean (aside from the obvious)?
This will be my first high quality graphic experience in PC land; &...since I'm also designing not only my own CD jackets & insert booklets (on the CMYK end)...I'm designing my own web pages (on the RGB end). I need to get this right, so my presentation colors don't look silly.
Thanks,
mark4man

I've seen a number of others (not here) report this minor problem. You can
check their website (lge.com) for an updated profile, but you really need to
invest in a hardware monitor calibrator, especially if you intend to prepare
artwork for commercial printing. A basic Spyder or Huey will get you a
decent profile and they are not expensive.
Trez

Camera Calibration - which Profile to use?

This is a spin out of another thread in the forum - How do I avoid magenta discolouring?.
I am using a Lr 5.7.1 on OS X Mavericks (10.9.5) and photos from 3 cameras - Nikon D600, Nikon D40, and Canon 450D - they all exhibit a very similar behaviour with RAW files described below, but it much more noticeable with the Nikons and very noticeable with the D600. I have been using Lr since version 3 (I think but I might have started with version 2, I cannot remember).
By default I have always imported my RAW files leaving the profile under Camera Calibrations as Adobe Standard. I have been moderately unhappy with the results I was seeing in Lr, not with all the images but with quite a few of them; in a nutshell they don't as I envision them and they don't look the way they look in camera. With "the way the look in camera" I mean inspecting the histograms and clipping warnings.
I am fully ware that Lr does not read the picture control settings of any camera, my Nikons have always being set to Standard.
Below are 2 screenshots from a photo taken with the D600.
1) Histogram with Adobe Standard profile
2) After and before view, left "Adobe Standard" right "Camera Standard"
There are 2 different images, the histogram is changed, the greens are render differently. I also know which one I'll pick for further work, the right image, the one with Camera Standard as the profile.
Back to the question for this post: Camera Calibration, which Profile to use? (and why?)

ssprengel wrote:
Which profile to use is a matter of personal taste, so why does it matter what other people use?
I am not sure I would agree with this statement without making some important qualifications.
Camera profiles can be used for creative purposes, no disagreement there. However, I don't think this is the sole purpose of camera calibration and camera profile, isn't it? Jeff Schewe, who sometimes contributes to this forum, wrote in The Digital Negative "The profiles are designed to calibrate a particular camera model's particular colour rendering intent [...]. It's entirely possible that your particular camera might be a bit different from the one they profiled, so you might be able to make a customer profile for your camera that would produce a more accurate rending than what comes with Lightroom and Camera Raw"; the quote is taken from his section on Lightroom Camera Calibration and leads to conclude that the purpose of camera profiles is also to reproduce the colour rendering intent of camera.
My point on the original post is that it seems that Camera Standard, with both my Nikons set to "Standard" picture controls, seems to better reproduce the colour rendering intent of both cameras, specially if greens are involved. All I am looking for is advice regarding best practice. This is absolutely non trivial from my point of view, best practice is not a matter of personal taste as I am sure you know. Insisting that default settings are best practice, I am not saying you are saying this, is not helpful.
ssprengel wrote:
As to your question about making Camera Standard the default profile, you do it the same as customizing any other LR default: by selecting an unedited photo, setting Camera Standard as its profile, then on the keyboard use Alt - Set Default… (the button was Reset before pressing Alt) then confirm that you want to update the LR defaults to the current settings.
This is correct.
ssprengel wrote:
I am not sure how to find photos with a particular camera profile but perhaps one of the filters in Library can do that, or a smart collection query. I don’t have LR in front of me right now to try things, myself.
I don't think this possible. I cannot find a way to do it with smart collections or the filter library. I'll keep experimenting.

Color shift & loss of shadow detail

First I do not have a wide gamut monitor I have avoided getting one because of color issues. I have had this issue since day one with LR1. When I export out of LR ( Jpeg or tiff) I lose some shadow detail and see a light warming color shift (orange mostly). My images on my calibrated monitor are consistant across various applications and viewing my images at my website but in LR I see better shadow detail and the correct color from my adjustments. If I do a screen capture out of PSPX2 and grab the image from LR there is no change in the image. If I export the file than view the exported image from LR there is no change between the original and the export only in other applications which are consistant. I don't think LR is doing anything wronge to the file I just think it is changing how the file looks from within LR. PSPX2 is color managed. Exact monitor calibration ( I used a Syder 2 ) shouldn't make any difference either since it is consistant outside of LR and in my other photo apps some of which are color managed.I have read most of the posts on simular topics but I just can't figure it out. Since LR has no color management controls I am in the dark here. This has been the case on 2 other computers for me. I have just learned to live with it.
Here is a 100% crop to show the shadow detail loss. The left side is from a screen grab out of LR and the right is the exported version.
http://ronsview.com/img/s3/v26/p385652964.jpg

LR does its internal calcs in ProPhoto linear. Since you're likely exporting in a narrower space than that, perhaps that's the issue?

No monitor profile available. Yellow tint after import

Hello. I have bough last week a new Toshiba notebook which has Windows 8.1 preinstalled on it.
I have noticed a problem that seems other came also on the same issue. When i watch images on a non profile managed software, the images look fine. Once i import them on Lightroom or Photoshop, the images get a yellow tint.
The problem and a possible solution is also described here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1164320 . This is setting the sRGB as a monitor profile. I know this is not a great solution, but surely better than what i see on my monitor. In any way, this unfortunately this did not work for me.
This is what i mean with the yellow tint (left Lightroom, right Irfan)
Today i tried following:
Step 1
The image is in RAW format. I import it in Lightroom and gets that yellow tint i described.
I export it with sRGB in jpg format. The jpg file has still that yellow tint. Please note here, that others that report similar problems, they mention that after the export they image looks again fine.
Step 2
I open the RAW image with Irfan (not color managed) and save it as jpg. The image is saved "correctly", as you see on the right side of the image above.
Step 3
I import the exported jpeg that was created with Irfan and import it to Lightroom.
The yellow Tint now does not appear on the imported JPEG.
One more tip i can give is: When i do a Soft proofing on Lightroom and choose sRGB i still see that yellow tint.
What exactly is happening ? I try to identify the problem. Why i see just raw images with this yellow tint, no matter the profile i set for my monitor and no matter the proofing options on lightroom.
I don't want to spend 100+ euro for a calibration device and not being able to use the profiles.
Any suggestions for further testing ?

First - Irfanview needs to be at least IV 4.35 and needs to have the LCMS.DLL plug-in installed as well as having the Color Management enabled so that you have some chance of your Photoshop and IrfanView versions of an image matching:
Alright we have the first conflict here.
I have the latest IrfanView version (4.37) , i saw that the Lcms.dll exists in the plugin list, and i have set the settings as suggested.
Furthermore at the moment i have sRGB as my default monitor profile. Still this is how i see things.
IrfanView and Photoshop have the same difference as before. Yes i have rerasted IrfanView on every change. I actually freshly installed also the latest irfanView version with its plugin.
Photoshop - Irfan Side by Side
Monitor Profile Settings 1
Monitor Profile Settings 2
IrfanView Settings
About this
As you can see the Adobe default processing with the Adobe Standard profile, at top left, is a little greenish. This is compared to the default camera processing as viewed in the camera-embedded preview jpg from the CR2 at the bottom right which a white frame around it.
When i open the raw image on LR, i have (from what i can see on my monitor) the same results as your Adobe default processing (Top left) . What confused me on your image above is bottom left image "Adobe processing - Camera standard". What is with Adobe processing meant here? The camera profile? If yes then how can we have Adobe camera profil but also camera standart ? If you mean the process LR provides, mine is set on 2012. But no adobe available for selection. I do not know if this is meant though.
Here is my comparison between Adobe Standart Profile and Camera Standard.
LR: Adobe Profile vs Canon Standart Profile
One more comparison is of the files you made available including the IranView jpg you supplied as compared to the Canon JPG preview that I extracted from the CR2 file:
What you can see is that the CR2 as viewed in LR and LR's exported JPG of that CR2 look about the same (top and bottom left), and the IrfanView and Canon-JPG versions of the CR2 look the same (top and bottom right). This is your IV version of the JPG, not something I made, but I expect IV has just extracted the camera-embedded fullsize preview JPG from the CR2 file just like I did using a different tool, so they look the same, but it is possible your IV is using a Canon-specific plug-in that uses the Canon-supplied SDK library DLLs that can also duplicate Canon processing. I only have the Formats.dll and the CRW.dll but not all the extra SDK DLLs so I expect my IV is only extracting the camera-embedded preview JPG.
Yes i can confirm that also on my environment. The exported CR2 from LR matches the exported JPG as also there is a match between IrfanView CR2 with the Camera standard profile export. Unfortunately i cannot confirm if IrfanView uses a sort of Canon-plugin to make the RAWS rendered automatically with the Canon standard profile.
And if you want your Adobe treatment of CR2 files to look much more similar to your camera's treatment, then use the Camera Standard profile in Lightroom and the PS ACR plug-in.
Question on this. Should i always put a Camera Standart profile on all my images after importing them on LR ?
Also please, let me know what you meant with Adobe Processing. I searched on the web with "Adobe Processing lightroom" , but i could not understand what is meant.
If using the Camera Standard profile doesn't make things look almost the same, then please post a side-by-side of LR's view of the CR2 and IrfanView's JPG extracted from the CR2--what you've linked to, just above.
Here is a comparison between an exported JPG from Lightrom with camera profile (Right) compared to an exported JPG with IrfanView from the RAW (left). As mentioned before the images look identical, with the one exported from LR with Camera profile being a bit more vibrant. But not much of a difference.
IrfanView vs Camera Profile export
So in the end it seems you see also that green-yellowish cast on the RAW image. From what i see on the screenshots you made.
The question now is why i do not see RAW the same as Adobe software ? Could i do this test with an other viewer?
To summerize from my side as well. A monitor calibration is surely good to do. On the other side the cast i see on the RAW in this case has not to do with the profile but rather with Adone profile and the way this image was captured.
PS. I must admit that is one of the best on line support i have ever seen. Thumbs up ssprengel !

Defective Monitor Profile - Urgent Help

So I just bought a Samsung 400MX (40 inch monitor) and just started on some graphic design.
However upon my first run of the Photoshop software I received an error saying that the Samsung monitor profile was defective. I tried to research a solution and couldn't find one -- only now having the time to post a question.
In the interim I bypassed the error, clicking for it not to remind me again knowing some of you might be able to help (keep in mind I have no way now of knowing whether or not it is fixed since these errors are ignored). In hindsight it was a bad move.
So would any of you please explain in detail how to handle a defective monitor profile? I wasn't able to find any websites with any helpful information. Also please factor in the fact that I will not be getting any feedback on whether or not a proper monitor profile is being referenced.
When I try to create a new psd project, the white background starts out purely white, but then fades to a murky tan and there are weird color affects when I start work (many colors flowing in and out and lots of grey as I highlight parts of the work area).
Please help! Photoshop is expensive!

That was quick! Thanks for the reply.
I never thought there was a problem with Photoshop -- I just assumed I had a "defective monitor profile".
If that clues you in to a familiar problem please let me know.
- What operating system are you running? Exact version number would be helpful
>> Windows 8
- What version of Photoshop are you running? Exact version number again.
>> Photoshop CS6 Version 13.0 X32
- Do you have a monitor calibrator, such as the Spyder or ColorMunki?
>> Nope, should I? I assumed the monitor profile was just some structure in Windows 8 I would have to update. Is that so?
- Can you take a screenshot or two of what you see and post it here? To post a screenshot, click the camera icon below the words "Post a new answer" once you've replied to a forum message.
>> Done. Notice the tan color. The first picture shows the tan background and then the second is a picture of a "flash" (it flickers) -- notice the whitish background with the tan color in the lower left-hand corner tile being consistent with the first picture's lower left-hand color tile (tan).
Thanks!
Bergo

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