Can I set Mail.app to default "Permanently erase deleted messages when" to Never, for all new accounts?

When setting up new accounts in Mail.app, I generally remember to set the "Permanently erase deleted messages when:" setting to "Never", in contrast to its harsh default 1-month setting.
When I first switched to a Mac years ago (probably around the time of Leopard, or one before), I didn't know of this setting, as it's somewhat buried and not part of the add new account "walkthrough", and I permanently lost serious business mail on a self-hosted mail server, due to this, in my opinion, really stupid default setting.
At any rate, as I said, I usually remember to change this, but I recently synched accounts via iCloud to a new machine (a work machine), and for whatever reason, the setting didn't take on one account (just one account; despite being set to "never" on the primary mac from which things sync). Same problem all over again.
So, Is there a way I can simply change the default, in the system, so that whenever a new account is created, Mail.app sets the default "erase messages when" time to "Never"?
I need to duplicate Gmail (archiving) functionality and thus far this is the best way I have of going about it; leaving those messages in trash on my regular old everyday IMAP servers.
I did run into this solution – http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22283, though it was for Mail.app in OSX 10.2 (so things have changed now), but I'm willing to bet there is a similar command, more up to date, that might do something similar? I'd like to run such a command on all of my machines so that ALL new mail accounts created are set to NEVER permanently auto-empty the trash–that should be done when I chose, and when I chose only.

Open Mail preferences, click on the Accounts icon in the toolbar then select your mail account, click on the Mailbox Behaviours tab on the right. Set the dropdown menu at the bottom for the Never option.
However, you cannot change the default options set for a newly created account.

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Many of my correspondents are non-tekkies and/or non-affluent, and they use whatever email client they can afford. Some could be using really old email clients. That doesn't help, right? Are blockquotes a really archaic formatting measure?
When these problems occur, they can cost me a lot of time and trouble. It's really distracting to have to deal with portions of the incoming message disappear.
I don't think it is practical to persuade my correspondents to upgrade their email clients. Some of them have trouble simply setting the preferences to support quoting.   Threading is a difficult concept for a few.
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haavee:
Thanks for your reply on this thread.
And thanks for the confirmation: Yes, often difficult, and completely unworkable in some cases.
To my surprise, I've been able to find very few people reporting similiar observations. Very little about this issue at all on the web.
I looked for command-key variations on Format --> Make Plain Text, hoping for a block action, but none I tried was any different.
Here is my current view of the issue:
• For formatted messages, each email client operates differently. If there is a standard it seems to be no more robust than "use simple HTML for formatted messages".
• The "can't insert" issue, as well as those mysterious rectangle-surrounded blocks, seems very correlated with the presence of html <div> sections in the message. It is awkward to experiment, so I've only done a limited amount. My observations so far:
-- I don't think you can insert text anywhere "inside" a <div>, and mail.app seems to treat <div> as a "sticky" attribute -- e.g/ very difficult/impossible to remove without deleting the text inside. The copy-style method doesn't seem to affect <div> tags.
-- Based on one case, it appears that message bodies composed of back-to-back <div> sections are impervious to inserts anywhere. (The email client used by one particular person with whom I've corresponded seems to build messages out of --you guessed it-- back-to-back <div> sections. Putting on my HTML coders hat -- I cannot see any sense at all in doing this. Smells to me like a kludge/hack, as you prefer.)
• What about an applicable mail.app add-in? I can find mail.app add-ins, but it seems the mail.app tech info (API) isn't public, so those that exist are based on guesswork about how it works. This means that add-ins must be re-tooled possibly for each new version of mail.app. Altogether, not encouraging for add-in developers. And, yes, consistent with that the range of functionality I've seen is rather limited. So, I've given up looking in the add-in category.
• Applescript has commands for controlling mail.app generally, but I didn't see anything approaching the level of function necessary to remove <divs> by global search-and-replace. (I'm far from an Applescript expert, so it is very possible I missed something.) Nor did I see any general command such as Clean up dodgy HTML in message. (I can dream!)
The only bit of progress I've had is finding TextSoap: http://www.unmarked.com/textsoap/ which may have promise. But I have had no time to evaluate it and it may be a month or so before I get a chance to check it out.
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Yes sir. That's the ticket. Thanks for the help. I had to create an account to get mail to open fully, but I can delete it.
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Message was edited by: kellyjdrummer
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