Can OSB proxy and business service act as a stub ?

Hi all,
would like to enquire whether I can achieve the following. I have a web service consumer. Can the consumer call a OSB proxy service and within the proxy service, I use XQuery and extract the body and perform some transformation. And the proxy service return variables to the consumer? Without calling any business proxy in the process
Can the proxy service act as a stub? Would I need a dummy business service for it?
Or my objective cannot be achieved in OSB?
Appreciate any thoughts.

Hi,
Assuming the incoming body contains "name: Peter, age: 13". Can the return information contain "name:Peter, age:13, Status: N"Yes, it's possible too, in your Response XQuery Transformation u can add n number of additional fields, and send back to requester.
You can do both Translations and Transformations.
Can I also configure the proxy service not to call any business service?Have you made/generated your proxy service from existing Business Service?
If yes,: then your message flow would have only Route Node ( routing to Business Service).
1. To do transformations on request add a Pipeline Pair in message flow and inside it add stage for doing XQuery transformations.
2. Use Reply Action in stage as last Actions and do reply with Success.( The message flow won't go to Route actions after this ).
IF No : Then either remove the OSB Action which is being used to call Business Service.
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Regards,
Abhinav Gupta
Edited by: Abhinav on Mar 8, 2013 3:27 PM

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