Capturing 24P HDV

I'm currently trying to capture (using in and out points) 24P footage from the Canon XH-A1s. The capture starts near the specified in point (in the relatively few tests I've done anyway), but rolls past the out point. The longer the clip, the farther it records past the out point. I noticed that the capture window is using 30 fps timecode.
Is Premiere not able to accurately use in and out points when capturing 24P HDV?

I don't do HDV, but I have read that this program is better than PPro's HDV module
HD capture http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/hdvsplit.htm

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Canon HV20, 24P, HDV, CMOS sensor...
First, I do hope and pray that the FCP dudes are making this work native at HDV 24p -- great!
But until then, there's a workflow (see below) and a real oddity I can't figure out, and if anyone has any thoughts about it that would be great.
Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
Can anyone explain the FCP capture size of 1888 x 1062?
Anyhow, here is some workflow success that I had.
Capturing in Final Cut Pro using the HDV 1080/60i setting with HDV firewire basic NDF. But 60i is evil. So that's not enough. Got to get it to 24P,since that allows 20% more bandwidth, space, faster renders, and DVD players can play it.
Transcoding to a regular editing codec before converting to 24P is required. I found that MPEG Streamclip would create a wierd, jagged edges on small moving figures with high contrast, no matter what the settings, so I refuse to use it to export the footage.
So instead, FCP has an additional capture option of "Apple Intermediate Codec" or something like that, which transcribes it on the fly to AIC. I always stayed away from AIC like the plague, but they must have spent some time with it because it's nearly identical to the HDV original.
Next, open up in Quicktime Player, and start the clip on that second P frame. Sounds odd, I know. Goto the first interlaced frame, and back up two frames. Mark the "I", and then move that Out marker to the end, and then Trim the clip to the selection. Do that with all the clips, and then you can batch 24P them all.
If you don't want to find that one frame each time, here are the other settings:
First, open up the clip inside cinema tools, and then select Rev. Telecine button.
Find out which of these your clip is doing at the very beginning:
p-p-i-i-p - aa
p-i-i-p-p - bb
i-p-p-p-i - bc
p-p-p-i-i - cd
i-i-p-p-p - this is no good. must remove at least one frame from the beginning of source file
i = interlaced frame
p = progressive frame
all settings use the F1-F2, style one, standard upper/lower

Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
This is known. This happens with ANY footage you look at in FCP and QT player. QT lightens the gamma of the footage. Why? Something to do with adjusting the image for computer monitors.
Shane

Work around for capturing 24p in FCE

I am working on a clients system its a new Mac Power Book Pro running FCE 4.
Shot some HD footage at 24p. I have discovered that FCE does not natively capture 24p. Anyone suggest a good work around? trying to capture at 29.97 the footage stuters pixilates and creates copius amounts of un usable files.

Try using MPEG Streamclip or JES Deinterlacer to convert your frame rate and progressive to interlaced.
Just be aware that changing the frame rate is not a great thing to do, as you are likely to lose some visual quality, especially since you are in an NTSC country and will have to go to 29.97 or 60i. (If you were in a PAL country you might get away pretty good converting to 25 fps, which means only 1 additional blended frame in each 24. NTSC won't be as clean.)
You also need to find out exactly how the original video was shot. There are quite a few camcorders that shoot 24p over 30i or 60i, so you may actually have 60i material. It would help a lot to know exactly what make/model camera was used for the source footage.

At what setting should you capture 24p Panasonic VariCam footage?

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I'm very new to DVCPRO HD and have been capturing 24p footage shot on the Panasonic VariCam camera with the capture setting DVCPRO 720p/24, and the duplicate frames have been removed during capture. What is the difference between capturing 24p footage from the VariCam at 720p/24 (23.98fps) versus 720p/60 (59.94fps) in terms of the editing workflow? Are either of these settings preferable? I've heard contradicting stories on this...
The final output of this project will be to DVD but also 35mm film most likely. Any advice will be appreciated.
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Use the DVCPRO HD 720p 23.98 Easy Setup.
Advantage? Well, for one it was SHOT that way, so why not capture it. Beside the film look, capturing at 23.98 as opposed to 59.94 means that you use less than HALF the drive space. Less frames means less space used up.
The final output of this project will be to DVD but also 35mm film most likely.
Then you definately want 23.98 over 59.94. Film is 24fps...so 23.98 translates nicely.
Shane

Can't capture 24p

I'm trying to capture 24p footage from two different cameras: Panasonic 100 and Panasonic 200, both from DV Tape with no results: it stops after three or four seconds. I have FCP 5.1.4 and QT 7.4.1. I'm capturing those tapes with a Sony DV camcorder DCR-TRV19. Any ideas?
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24P or 24PA?
Regardless, you capture at 29.97, not at 24.
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Capturing 24p

I'm trying to capture 24p into FCP 5.1. DVNTSC 24p does not appear as a capture preset. Do I just capture using DV NTSC?
DP

yep, capture as dv ntsc. if you want to remove the pulldown, you use cinema tools to create the .rev files after capture.
there's a ton of info on this topic in this forum and the web. may want to do a search for more info.

Problems capturing in HDV

When I capture in HDV final cut quits unexpectedly. Does anybody know why?? Someone please help...

When you created the project, did you remember to change the setting from DV to HDV?

Capture for hdv

i using sony htv v1u hdv cam . i can not get to capture the hdv device , only dv i can get it. please help.

Make sure everything is set to hdv. Camera but also the capture settings in CS5.
Connect camera to pc. Switsh it on and let Window reconize the camera.
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Tomorow I will be shooting with the Z7 in 24P HDV. Will that be compatible with Aspect 3.4 and Prem

Tomorow I will be shooting with the Z7 in 24P HDV. Will that be compatible with Aspect 3.4 and Premiere? Can I make a DVD from 24P which won't bug? Or am I better off stiking with 50i HDV to avoid any problems? Please let me know your views before I commit to a way of shooting this projet.

> Can't I export directly to DVD from the timeline?
Assuming you've got a 24p timeline and you're outputting to NTSC 23.976 fps, then "yes".
25p is a different story: I am fairly certain that Adobe Media Encoder will not do the 3% speed-up when outputting 24p to 25p. Furthermore, AME makes you choose "upper/lower/progressive" for field options. If you choose "progressive", your chroma will be sampled progressively. If you choose "interlaced" your effects and transitions will be rendered as interlaced.
So, I'd say you should:
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2.) Create a new 1080/25p Cineform project and import the .AVI files fro step #1
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CS5 renders 24p HDV as alternating lines?

I'm having issues rendering HDV 1080p24 sequences containing Sony V1U 1080i 24pSCNA footage. If I render a timeline preview or render out a sequence through Adobe Media Encoder the rendered footage looks pixelated as contrasting detail flickers/shimmers. It looks exactly like Premiere Pro is rendering each frame by alternating between fields. I have tried turning on Maximum Render Quality and Maximum Bit Depth in both the sequences and Adobe Media Encoder, as well as changing the 24p Conversion Method in Playback Settings, to no avail.
The original footage Premiere captured from tape looks perfectly fine when played back in a third-party media player. Aside from some tearing on movement it also looks fine played back in Premiere using the Mercury engine accelerated by an NVIDIA GTX 470. The issue only occurs when a preview is rendered or the sequence is rendered out through AME (even when previews have not been generated or used for AME's rendering).
I've checked the interpret footage dialog, but there doesn't appear to be any useful options. Changing the footage's framerate to 23.976 merely slows down the footage, so PPro must be performing reverse pulldown on the fly in the sequence.

No, I'm editing in an HDV 1080p24 sequence. I wanted to edit and export as 23.976p, so that's why I chose that preset.
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How to Capture 24p HD

What setting and how can i capture and edit 24p HD in Final Cut Pro?

Dear Shane
Don't get mad at me. The reason I was doubtful of what the JVC people told me is because three days ago they assured me that Final Cut Studio 5.1 supports hd footage shot in 24p with my camera (JVC GY HD100U for those who are reading just now) and today they apologized, saying that it is not so.
Regarding the rest of the info you are giving me, I thank you, and appreciate it.
It is comforting to know that the passage from hd 720 24p to hd hd 720 60 p will not be noticeable.
For me, what is now scary is that I have to buy this deck (about 3 grand), the Kona card (about 1,6 grand) and how the heck am I also going to get a more powerful computer to do the capturing/editing work?
Have you heard of a software called hdv.xdv? A friend told me to check it out to capture my footage (I cannot do it yet, because I am waiting to get my JVC back from LA where I sent it for free-upgrading..)
I hope our exchange adds to the wealth of info and knowledge on how to handle hd footage shot with the JVC GY HD100 camera (a very uncomfortable place to be right now...!).
Best
Cecio

Single timelline sequence which incorporates 50i and 24p HDV footage

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I have one scene in an upcoming short film shot on the sony HVR-Z1 camera (50 interlaced), and the rest of the film is shot on the JVC GY-HD100 camera (24 progressive). I need everything in one timeline, and eventually out in a single sequence full-resolution format. How do I integrate the two?
Can I use the same custom 24p Apple Intermediate codec for all of the editing? I assume this is impossible as the sony material is interlaced? How can I get a satisfactory agreement between the 2 with as little image-quality compromise as possible?
Will there be a great deal of difference in the look of the 2 formats? The aspect ratio? Any suggestions on how best to hide the differences? I'm pretty new at this, so apologies if I am asking silly questions?
Thanks!

Hi there. Thanks for your prompt reply. I am aware that as of yet I´m unable to capture directly to FCP with the JVC. I have bought some mediating software which allows me to do so, called Lumiere.
What I have at the moment is compressed MP2 files and I am working with their xml counterpart files in FCP with the Apple Intermediate Codec. I am wondering however, how to get the material out into as fully a decompressed format as possile for color correction, sound synching etc?
I have noticed that even in this recommended intermediate codec the material doesn´t play consistently in my viewer. There are lags and freezes, as well as unsynched stretches of audio. I have 2 choices for printing to tape. I can use either a sony HDV deck or the JVC camera itself. I haven´t a decklink card at present so I am wondering what my best option is (format wise) for succesful transfer via firewire to tape?
What kind of size are we talking for a 4 to 5 minute decompressed HDV clip when rendered as a stand alone finished sequence?
My intention is of course to have the best image res in the finished hard copy, and I am admittedly new with this sort of thing, having only rendered and edited in DV before. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
-Tom

Sony V1-u 24p/HDV/1080p + FCP

I have a Sony V1-U camera. It doesn't work well with Adobe Premiere. I think that's because premiere doesn't have a proper setting for HDV/24p footage.
I'm thinking of selling this computer, with adobe premiere, and buying a mac with FCP instead. I just need to know if FCP would handle my raw footage better than Premiere pro 2 does.
How does one properly capture HDV 1080p footage on Final Cut studio 2? Which sequence settings would I use? Does the HDV footage automatically get down-converted to Standard def. when I capture it? Does the HDV footage stay preserved during the encoding process? What happens to HDV footage if you try to burn it on a standard def. dvd? And finally, Could I possibly sound more like a noob?
Thanks for taking the time to read this.

I don't use Adobe Premiere but I would believe it has a proper setting for the Flavor of HDV you are producing from the V1. All Sony HDV products record to mini DV/HDV tape as 60i in the United States (V1-U = USA).
*How does one properly capture HDV 1080p footage on Final Cut studio 2?*
Sony HDV is NOT progressively recorded to tape. During the progressive recording it is like interlaced, but the sensors for each field are recorded at the same exact time so in effect it is progressive during the image making process, but Sony then separates the two fields and lays to tape interlaced so all other HDV products they sell work properly together as 60i. Don't worry the progressive look is retained but a 3:2 pull down is added making 29:97 or 60i material.
*Does the HDV footage automatically get down-converted to Standard def when I capture it?*
No, you can down convert out of the V1U by menu settings or you will have to do it during an export in your EDL.
*Does the HDV footage stay preserved during the encoding process?*
In Final Cut the originally captured HDV material is not changed and will remain in the Capture Scratch folder while the exported sequence is rendered into a new HDV Quicktime file if this is what you're exporting to.
*What happens to HDV footage if you try to burn it on a standard def. dvd?*
Well you will either export the HDV sequence as SD using Apples Compressor or you will drop a copy of the HDV sequence into a new SD sequence for exporting.
*Could I possibly sound more like a noob?*
No comment, I'm sure others here can appreciate your energy.

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