Capturing closed captions

I have a client who has a series of Betacam SP tapes with closed captioning that he wants put onto DVD. I have a Betacam SP deck connected to my MacPro with a Canopus box (not ideal, I know). Is there a way to capture the video with the closed captions signal intact into FCP. And if so, what should I do after that to burn the DVD with closed captions (using DVDSP). Thanks in advance.

pg. 611 of the user manual
Adding Closed Captions to a DVD
With DVD Studio Pro, you can import closed caption files as part of a track. This is the
most reliable way to include closed captions with your title.
Do not assume that just because the closed-captioning information was present in the
video during the MPEG encode that it will be available when the disc is played by the
viewer. Be sure to perform a test before relying on this method of adding closed
captions to your title.
Some MPEG encoders can create separate closed caption files that DVD Studio Pro can
use to add the function to your disc.
DVD Studio Pro supports closed caption files in the “.cc” and “.scc” formats.
o| TonyTony |o

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Capturing VHS to Mac without losing closed-captions...

I have to capture some VHS tapes to my Mac so I can burn them to DVDs. Can this be done without losing the closed-captioning?

Are these your own home-made VHS tapes? Recorded from tv?
All I can say is 'probably.' I would try capturing a small portion of the VHS tape into iMovie and see if you get the captioning. I know that time-stamp information is not recorded so it can be seen, but I assume that captioning would be.
How are you planning to do this?
For your purposes, it would make sense to use iMovie 6 and iDVD 6/8/9, since you could convert the VHS footage to DV format and then not have to worry about further conversions for either iMovie or iDVD.
And, since the later iMovie versions use single-field processing on export, losing every other frame, your DVD will have lesser quality unless you do a lot of conversion-manipulation.
If you use iM6, your footage will be in DV format, the one iDVD prefers with no loss of quality. In fact, because you are converting from analog to digital, you will probably find quite an improvement over the original VHS footage.
I used a miniDV digital camcorder to record my VHS tapes. I first captured the footage to miniDV tapes because I was worried that the VHS footage would further degrade before I could make my iMovies from all my tapes.
Then, I imported into iMovie 6 from the miniDV tapes via my digital camcorder. Worked seamlessly and made great DVDs.
Don't worry if the footage imported into iMovie looks darker than the original. It will improve when you burn it to DVD disk.
Please post back re: whether the closed captioning is preserved.

Extract closed captions from OTA HD broadcast for use with DVD SP?

Hi, I'm out of my league here, trying to do a favor for a deaf friend. He will appear on a national TV show, and I'd like to capture his appearance and (if possible) burn it to DVD.
Of course, being deaf, he needs to see the closed captions.
What I've done so far is buy Elgato's eyeTV Hybrid. I can successfully capture HD broadcasts with their embedded closed captions (wow, is that gorgeous!).
I can use the eyeTV software to recompress the audio and video for DVD SP, but the captions don't end up anywhere that I can tell.
Is there any way to extract the closed captioning information for use with DVD SP?
Thanks very much.

I don't think FCP will ever have captioning tools, due to it is a specilized area of post production and third party companies have developed captioning software that addresses this area.
I use the only Mac captioning software, (Mac Caption, made by CPC) that runs on the Mac. The cost for the SD captioning version of Mac Caption retail cost $6,995 USD and the HD version is an additional $2000.00 USD. If your an educational institution, then the price is about half the list, (price can be negotiated with the company at the time of purchase.)
As you can see, this is about half the cost of the FCP suite and I really don't think that Apple will ever get into this area. Most production companies rely on captioning services. In our case, we are an educational facility and therefore must comply with ferderal law, so we caption everything we do, thus why we had to purchase our own software.
The software we use, can do what it is that you are seeking, it can read the caption data from a live video image an convert it to a .scc file, that can be then used in DVD authoring or tape production. It can also read the raster area of a 720x 486 video file and also convert the caption information to a .scc file, as well as creating subtitlilng .stl files for DVD's.
It can also do original captioning, as well as add a text track to QT streaming files, which is how you caption QT steraming files. You can even burn captions into the video image of a steaming file.
Again, most production facilities are going to have to rely on a captioning service, but because we have to caption everything, and most captioning services don't caption QT streaming files, this was another reason we had to purchase our own captioning software.

Capturing Closed Captionin FCP

I was old to capture for closed captioning in FCP you should change your settings (sequence I think?) to 720x486. But when I change(in the general tab) it defaults to 729x486. Is this OK?
Need help ASAp
Thanks
Jeff

You might need a capture card for this. DV only
captured 720x480. If you want to capture 720x486
from a source like Beta or Digibeta, you'll need a
capture card.
What is your source?
Shane
Hi Shane.
Thanks for answering right away. My capture source is Mini DV tape and I was told captureing in720x480 cuts off the "CC"portion so 720x486 is reccomended. But as I said it seems to default to 729x486. I don't know f this setting is ok. I was also told that Compressor kill any "CC" that may be on the video. I'm not shure about this ether as I will have to compress for DVD.
Jeff

What is the best software for creating SCC/MCC files for closed captioning in Premiere pro?

I have experiemented with the demo version of MacCaption to create SCC/MCC files that I am importing into Premiere Pro for Closed Captioning. It seems to work okay, but before I purchase it I was wondering if it is the best software choice for my workflow? Would anyone recommend something different? Thanks!

PMJI, but I recently started using a program called Subtitle Edit (http://www.nikse.dk/SubtitleEdit/) not to be confused with another program called Subtitle Editor.
Subtitle Edit is open source, full featured and supports dozens of file types(in/out and convert). I use it in conjunction with our Accordent(now Polycom) Capture Station webinar systems. I haven't used in conjunction with AdobeCS products yet, but it does list Encore and Captivate in it's I/O list. It's definitely worth a look-see.

Closed captioning for rtmp streaming video

hi, is it possible to do closed captioning in adobe captivate 5.5 if the video is set to rtmp? any reply would be helpful. thanks!

What is the subject matter of these FLVs?
If it's Captivate screen captures, then you could have added the CC text to each slide if you had left them as FMV slides.
However, if the video content is of other things, e.g. people talking or some type of action captured with a video camera, then I believe your best solution would be to add the Closed Captioning in whatever tool you used to edit and publish the video.
As I mentioned before, Captivate doesn't really provide a mechanism for adding CC text to on screen objects that contain audio in any form. So for example, you cannot add CC text to an SWF that you've inserted as an animation, even though you can record and add audio to that SWF in Captivate. Videos are in a similar position, except that they usually don't have their audio added in Captivate. They mostly come with their audio track built in. This means the only real way to guarantee good synchronisation of the CC text is to have it embedded in the video as well.

Converting VHS to DVD with preserved closed captions

Can this be done via DV capture?
I'm trying to convert some of my old out of print VHS tapes to DVD, since they are obscure enough to probably never see an official DVD release. I figured firewire/DV would be perfect for the job because...well, my Mac already has that built-in. My intended workflow is to capture via DV using an ADS Pyro A/V Link analog->DV converter box (see tip below if you're trying something similar by the way).
Anyway, being the quasi-perfectionist that I am, I'd like to make as close a copy to the original as possible, preserving the closed captions. In researching this I've found that this data is stored in "line 21" which is normally not a viewable portion of the video signal, rather like metadata. I have read that DV does support this data in the "VAUX" data area, however before I even begin, I am concerned that any step of my intended workflow might not preserve this data (reencoding in the converter box, transferring into iMovie/FCP, reencoding onto DVD). I presume that any amount of editing to the captured video will hose the captions if they are preserved, but I'd only shorten the black padding at the beginning and ending of the program if anything, which I can't imagine would scramble it too bad.
I have read many suggestions of just manually transposing the CC text to subtitles instead, however since the DVD spec does support true closed captions, I figure it's gotta be possible somehow.
I'd like to be able to do this without purchasing a PCI capture card. And I'd also like to be able to do this without spending $6000 on a certain Mac captioning app (a ridiculous price for functionality which in my opinion should be free). I've seen some pretty cheap VCR+DVD combo standalone units on the market, but I'd like to think my Mac, as expensive as it was, will suffice.
Am I asking too much? Should I just give it a try to see if everything magically works? And if my current setup is not up to this task, what sort of setup would I need to realize my goal?
(Tip: By the way, if anyone is trying to convert VHS to DVD with a similar setup, be warned that the marketers of such analog->DV converter boxes generally don't mention that you'll also need a time base corrector (TBC) to do anything useful with less-than-perfect analog source video; I've found that without such a device, the video tends to drop frames like mad on rough spots of the source tape [I'm talking drops measured in seconds]. Too bad TBCs cost more than the converter box itself usually. Odd that those VCR+DVD combo boxes ostensibly must have a built-in TBC by definition, and yet often are cheaper than a standalone TBC...)
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Ok well I tested it by going VCR->DV converter->iMovie->iDVD, and the closed captions were lost at some point. The tape does have closed captions when played in the VCR, and I know my DVD player displays closed captions properly (I tested a commercial disc both in the Mac and in a standalone DVD player and those showed captions), but the DVD I created doesn't display closed captions either in the Mac DVD Player or the standalone unit.
So...anyone think maybe importing into Final Cut Pro and burning with DVD Studio Pro would work better for this than iMovie? I imagine there would be no difference (since iDVD uses the same Compressor app as DVDSP).
So I guess I'm stuck. At this point I can't even use the DVD/VCR dub machine since it won't allow dubbing of copy-protected tapes (even though this tape will likely never see a DVD release and it's crappy VHS quality anyway and it's just for my own personal use as a backup)...any suggestions?

Captiv5, F4V, mp4 & auto-closed captioning

Hi everyone
I am learning quite a bit about Captivate 5 and have been about 10 learning modules in and getting the hang of it. A large number of our trainees have Apple products and I've found that an *.mp4 video created by publishing the *.cptx file into *.f4v + fixed frame rate and then using Adobe Media Encoder (part of eLearning Suite 2 purchased) to convert *.f4v --> *.mp4 (iPod) and H264 codec - is the best way to allow a Wi-fi connected iPhone/iPod to play.
One issue is that the videos embedded in the presentation have very soft volumes. The video volumes themselves cannot be changed, so I have added closed captioning which works well in *.swf format. However, when converting to the *.f4v or *.mp4 formats, closed captioning is not an option, and I am unable to find a way to always have Captivate have closed captioning without the CC button.
If anyone can think of a way to either increase the video volume within Captivate (I don't have Adobe video tools, just eLearning Suite) or allow for closed captioning to display text during the *.mp4 video, it would be greatly appreciated. The last thing I would like to do is to retype the entire CC script (it's very long) into actual slide elements.
-Todd

You can adjust the volume of audio for any slide using the Adjust Volume button on the Slide Audio dialog.
Conversely, if you have the eLearning Suite you should also have Adobe Soundbooth, which is an excellent audio editor. You can export out the audio for the entire project if desired, edit in Soundbooth, and then reimport again with all slides retaining their same start and end points for audio.
The Closed Captioning is actually created via the playbar skin, so it's not something that gets captured when converting to video format.
If you really want some form of Closed Captioning in the video output you could workaround it by adding your own timed transparent captions against a light or dark coloured highlight box that is set to appear for Rest of Project.

Display Closed Captions: Video (.avi) + Subtitles (.srt)

Hello.
I am trying and failing to play a video with soft subtitles. Is there a way to do this without using software to hard-code/embed the subtitles onto the Video.avi file?
- My 'videos' folder contains two files with the same name but different extensions (Video.avi and Video.srt)
- In the video playback options I have checked the 'Display Closed Captions' box.
Thanks.

Hi. What we do is resize the project as one of the last steps in the development process. We resize the height only, adding about 45 pixels. We position the existing project at the top, thus adding about 45 pixels at the bottom as a "footer". This footer then contains the playbar and also leaves enough room for two lines of closed captioning. Of course we have to take this extra space into consideration when we do our original screen captures. We capture at 1005 x 605, then resize twice --- the first time to add 25 pixels to the top for a header, then the second time to add 45 pixels to the bottom for a footer. Each time we keep the original project the same size and fill the background with color, so the actual screen captures do not get rescaled. The end result is a published project that is 1005 x 675.
The other alternative is to position the application you are capturing on a blank desktop background and capture the application window and some of the extra blank desktop background below the window. But this method prevents you from using the "snap to fit" option when capturing an application.
I hope this makes sense.
Mister C.

Closed caption help

I have a DVCAM master that is encoded for closed captioning. My client would like a DVD with closed captioning. Is this a simple matter of capturing the master tape in FCP and importing the file into DVD SP and burning a copy or is there more to it? Any help would be appreciated.
dual 2GHz G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

True closed captioning is part of the video, (line 21.) DV video encodes the caption data as meta data and is stored as a resource in the DV QT file.
That data can only be retrieved if the DV program is run through a software that can read the meta data resource. The software that can do that is Mac Caption Pro.
Once you have captured the video from the DV tape, to a DV QT file, that file can then be imported into Mac caption Pro and decoded and captured to a .scc file, (Scenarist_SCC V1.0.)
The .scc file can then be brought into DVD SP through the line 21 option for closed captioning in the track inspector, under the other tab.
Mac Caption Pro also allows you to merge the .scc file with a already existing Mpeg2 file and then import the Mpeg2 file normally, with captioning already part of the Mpeg2 file, (no need to use the line 21 option in DVD SP.)
The software is very expensive $5000.00, but way cheeper than a hardware system for captioning. Educational facilities receive a discount upon request.
There URL: http://www.ccaption.com/
If you can get the program owners to send you a .scc file, that is timecoded to the copy of the program you have, then you can just use the line 21 option of DVD SP to import the captioning.

Closed Captioning project in DVD SP

I have been researching on the internet for a couple of days now. I need to author a DVD with Closed Captioning. I do not have the .cc files but original source is betacam with"CC". DVD's and MiniDV's were also made and all have "CC" I don't know where to go from here because people are saying it can't b done without the.cc or.scc files.
Please help
Jeff

Not sure what Fred is refering to, but in my experience with software encoders like BitVice and Compressor, line 21 and and the whole raster area for that matter is cropped away, leaving no closed captioning in the encoded file.
This is why you need the .scc file. The other tab in the track inspector is where this file can be joined together, with the encoded Mpeg2 file and the timecode must match up between the .scc and Mpeg2 file.
It is true that the closed caption data can be joined together with the Mpeg2 file, (prior to bring it into DVD SP) negating the need to use the other tab, but most of use here don't have the special hardware or software that allows one to do this.
I do have the software, (Mac Caption Pro) which allows me to join the closed captioning info of a .scc file, or even from the source video and join it to an existing Mpeg2 file, that has been already created.
Being that I have to do this every day, as I author new educational DVD's, I'm very familiar with the process. If you are coming from a DV source file, then the CC data is not stored in line21 of the video, (being that DV is, 720x480 and doesn't have a raster area like uncompressed video, 720x486) rather, the data is stored in the DV video file, (as meta data) a resource file in the DV video file, which, when the file is played back, that meta data is converted back into the line 21 area of the video, so that the closed captioning works correctly.
It is this meta data the my closed captioning software reads from a DV file an allows me to capture and convert to a .scc file or just join with an existing Mpeg2 file.
If I'm coming from an uncompressed video souce like 8 or 10bit, then the raster area and line 21 is present and the closed captioning must be captured in realtime by my software, (being that the raster area is not meta data) but more like a still picture that must have the line 21 part decoded and converted to data, my software does this.
Anyway, however you slice it, the captioning info must be captured first and join in some way with the Mpeg2 file, (either before or after) bring it into DVD SP.
Hope this helps those that are just getting into captioning?

FCP and Closed Captions

I looked in my FCP manual and I cannot find any information on closed captioning. What I need to know is if the CC information is already recorded on my mini DV tape, then when I capture it to FCP does it retain that information? So then when I output back to tape will the CC information still be there? For an example of how this would be used... I work at a community college where our students produce a news show. While they tape the show (to mini DV) someone types the CC live and it is recorded to the mini DV tape. Since it is a student production there are sometimes mistakes. So after the show is taped a student will "post" the show in FCP before it is aired on our cable station. Right now we do not CC. But we have to start. So before they purchase equipment we need to know if this will work. Anybody know? Thanks.

I'm doing a show for a client that will run both nationally and locally. When we started they would be identical shows. We budgeted for CC. Then the client tells me he's sold three extra :30 spots for the local version. Um, okay.
So I told him to sell 2 more spots and we'll just cut one segment of the show that now has to time out to exactly 2:30 each week.
Ahhhh, first time producers.

Streaming video stops when initiate closed captioning

So our company has a streaming video feed coming from the folks over at quickplay.com.
All was good watching the streaming video in Safari (iOS 8 and Mac 10.10)...UNTIL you turn on closed captioning. Now anytime you load the feed you get a "Missing plug-in" message with "This page contains content of “application/vnd.apple.mpegurl” type. You do not have the plug-in required to view this content."
Close/restart Safari, or rebooting does nothing...happens on the Mac and iPhone. So I came across the enable Accessibility options for closed captioning on both devices in Settings and nothing.
One of our staff needs to view this feed with the CC on to monitor it. So I guess first where on both devices is it caching the preference to use CC and making them unable to stream the feed any longer. And then...why is this not working?

What is the subject matter of these FLVs?
If it's Captivate screen captures, then you could have added the CC text to each slide if you had left them as FMV slides.
However, if the video content is of other things, e.g. people talking or some type of action captured with a video camera, then I believe your best solution would be to add the Closed Captioning in whatever tool you used to edit and publish the video.
As I mentioned before, Captivate doesn't really provide a mechanism for adding CC text to on screen objects that contain audio in any form. So for example, you cannot add CC text to an SWF that you've inserted as an animation, even though you can record and add audio to that SWF in Captivate. Videos are in a similar position, except that they usually don't have their audio added in Captivate. They mostly come with their audio track built in. This means the only real way to guarantee good synchronisation of the CC text is to have it embedded in the video as well.

Closed Captions in CS5.5

I need to find out from someone who knows exactly what ALL the capabilities are of CS5.5 Closed Captioning. the blog and few other pages i have read have been fairly vague.
The only thing i know for sure is that i can attach a .scc file to a sequence and enable viewing in my program monitor and that worked when i tested it.
What else does it do? can i then export the sequence out to an mpeg or xdcam mxf file with the captions intact? are they line 21 608 captions for SD exports? are they digital 708 captions for HD exports? can i record them to tape? DV? SDI? (I have an Axio card with SDI output)
If i Export them does the display setting need to be enabled to be exported?
Can i capture video with 608 captions and see them decoded in my program monitor during playback? Then export back out to tape or encode as a file with captions intact?
If i import an XDCAM HD MXF file with 708 captions and export it back out after editing are they going to remain intact?
We are a tapeless broadcaster and would prefer to be able to handle everything within our normal file based workflow. We normally render out mpeg files from premiere for our seachange broadcast server for all of our SD channels, and we render out MXF files for our Snell HD server.
I have been trying to experiment with all of this for a few days and have not had much luck other then viewing the .scc file.
thanks!

Digitlman,
I'll attempt to answer your specific questions:
If i use another program to create a .scc file and attach it to a sequence, then what are my options for printing that to a tape or exporting it to a file and having the captions intact?
You can print to tape two ways.
1. By connecting a FireWire cable to your computer, connect the other end to a DV deck, DV camera, or MediaConverter (Sony DVMC-DA1 like device) to other recorder (Betacam) and then crash record. It's only standard def, and not terrible accurate.
2. Purchase a product from one of the 3rd party vendors that can embed and output the caption data via SDI or HD-SDI. Todd posted this link, http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/04/closed-captions-in-adobe-premiere-pro-c s5-5.html , that listed some vendors, perhaps there are more now, or an updated driver for your Matrox Axio? I don't know off hand, and I would suggest calling Matrox or browsing their web page for updated drivers.
In Premiere Pro CS5.5 there is no way to export to a file and maintain the caption data from the source media, or from a sequence. As I say that, there is possible one exception, but probably not of use. If a user imports a DV clip, and exports it as DV (perhaps trimmed or metadata added) it should still contain caption data, as we'll copy the compressed frames instead of recompressing which will result in a reduction in quality.
The second is the ability to ingest from tape or import a file that already has visible line21 608 captions on it. (like the picture i posted previously)
In this situation how does premeire retain those captions and what are my options for printing that to a tape or exporting it to a file and having the captions intact?
Premiere Pro CS5.5 does not decode captions from imported or captured media. The caption data from imported or captured clips is not retained during export or print to tape.
The last more difficult option is what if we have a SD file with visible line21 608 captions and we want to upconvert it to HD 1920x1080 and add ears on the sides, can we retain the captions in the HD file output? (MXF preferably) You say 5.5 will convert from 608 to 708, does that apply to this situation?
I believe this has been answered above, but no. Premiere Pro CS5.5 doesn't decode line 21 caption data, nor embed into the exported HD file. The 608 to 708 conversion code is currently used when printing to tape, but could be used for future features.
If that does not then could we extract the captions with other software and attach that .scc to the sequence and then export the 1080i XDCAM HD MXF file with captions intact for our broadcast server?
Yes and no. You could extract the caption data from line 21 with a variety of tools, and then attach that to a sequence. But the export would have to be via print to tape, not file export.
fyi: we have Matrox Axio LE cards in our editors and i have put a clip in with line21 608 captions and played out realtime SDI to our Snell server and it passed through the captions just fine.
That is good to here.
Sincerely,
Jerry Scoggins
Sr. Computer Scientist
Adobe Premiere Pro

Closed Caption and FCP 5.1.1

Has anyone had success in capturing footage with closed captioning and then making dubs with the closed captioning attached in FCP 5.1?
I ask because it seems that 5.1 is not recording the line 21 info. I've been able to play back a show that I captured from Beta SP before I upgraded and the CC was displayed. Now when I capture the same footage using FCP 5.1 and the same settings as before, the CC info does not show during play back.
Thanks for any help.

I ask because it seems that 5.1 is not recording the line 21 info. I've been able to play back a show that I captured from Beta SP before I upgraded and the CC was displayed. Now when I capture the same footage using FCP 5.1 and the same settings as before, the CC info does not show during play back.< </div>
This would be bad. There's no reason that the data shouldn't pass, it's just scan line content, but that doesn't mean there's some new ADA or international digital rights weirdness in 5.1, 5.1.1 or QT7.1+ that's stripping it off.
First we've seen of this complaint so we'd depend on you to do more extensive and carefully designed testing.
bogiesan

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