Change bars

How do I place a change bar to the bottom left of the margin on the master page using frammaker 11 unstructured?
thnx

Change bars are applied automatically (when enabled) only to the actual line inwhich a change has occurred in he flow of the conteent, i.e. on a Body page.
If you need to make a change bar in the location that you state (on a Master page), create a new custom Master page(s) based upon the Right/Left ones and simply draw a change bar where you want it.
To apply the Master page to pages that have changes (all of this will have to be manual unless you write a custom script) either:
apply these custom Master pages using the Format > Page Layout > Master Page Usage option or
create a new paratag that uses no line-spacing and add it to all pages with change bars, then use the Master page mapping option to apply the custom master pages o these pages (Note: adding or removing content may affect where the change bar pargraph falls and may put things out of sync)

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How does one assign change bars to the contents of an anchored frame?

Assigning change bars to text in FrameMaker 10 appears to give inconsistent results. Sometimes I can select the contents of an anchored frame and assign a change bar to it. Other times, only the marker is assigned a change bar and not the contents of the anchored frame.
Also, sometimes I can select a table and assign a continuous change bar to it. Other times, a separate change bar is assigned to individual rows of the table.
Are there any workarounds for this inconsistency?

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Can I change the position of change bars from left margin to right margin?

I want to display the change bars in right page margin. If the page is odd page,The change bars position is in left page margin. If the page is even page,The change bars position is in right page margin.

The global properties for Change bars are found in the Format > Document > Change Bars... menu option (or <esc> o b keyboard shortcut).
The property that you need to change is Position:
Depending upon which of the right or left margins is larger, you'll need to set this to "Side Closer to Page Edge" or "Side Farther..." to position the bars to the outside edges of the respective pages. If you have a symmetric layout, then "Closer" places on the left side (of all pages) and "Farther" places on the right.
However, if you have multiple columns, the change bars will appear between the columns and will shift depending upon which page edge is closer, i.e. the middle columns may be left or right on any given page.

How to get the number of page which exists the change bar ?

In FDK development, I want to find the number of page which exists the change bar.

zhaopeng,
You can get the page number by querying the FP_PageNum property of the FO_Page object:
pageNum = F_ApiGetInt(docId, pageId, FP_PageNum);
...or you can use FP_PageNumString if you are using string page numbers.
If you do not have the ID of the FO_Page object, you can get it from the paragraph ID using the following function, courtesy of Rick Quatro, posted to the Yahoo Framedev list. Send the paragraph (FO_Pgf) ID as oObj and it will return the page ID:
F_ObjHandleT GetPage(F_ObjHandleT oDoc, F_ObjHandleT oObj)
F_ObjHandleT oFrame = 0;
IntT iObjType;
F_ObjHandleT oRow, oCell;
while(oObj)
oFrame = oObj;
iObjType = F_ApiGetObjectType(oDoc, oObj);
switch(iObjType){
case FO_SubCol:
oObj = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oObj, FP_ParentTextFrame);
break;
case FO_Tbl:
oRow = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oObj, FP_FirstRowInTbl);
oCell = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oRow, FP_FirstCellInRow);
oObj = oCell;
break;
case FO_Row:
oCell = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oObj, FP_FirstCellInRow);
oObj = oCell;
break;
case FO_Cell:
// handle FO_Pgf case
case FO_Pgf:
// handle FO_AFrame case
case FO_AFrame:
oObj = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oObj, FP_InTextFrame);
break;
// handle graphic object cases
case FO_TextLine:
case FO_TextFrame:
case FO_UnanchoredFrame:
case FO_Arc:
case FO_Ellipse:
case FO_Group:
case FO_Inset:
case FO_Line:
case FO_Math:
case FO_Polygon:
case FO_Polyline:
case FO_Rectangle:
case FO_RoundRect:
oObj = F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oObj, FP_FrameParent);
break;
default:
// prevents loop if unknown object type is found.
oObj = 0;
break;
if(oFrame){
// Use FP_PageFramePage to get the page identifier of the object.
return (F_ApiGetId(oDoc, oFrame, FP_PageFramePage));
else
return(0);
Russ

Change bars in Margin on bulleted list

Hi...we have to put change bars in the margin to indicate a
change to a version. I do this by using the Borders, putting in
only the left-hand line. This works fine in Robohelp for Word - but
when I try to do the same in RoboHTML (creating Webhelp) it works
just fine for a normal style but for anything will bullets or
numbered list, the change bar overlaps the first word in the list.
Is there a way to insert a change bar on a list so that it appears
to the left of the list (i.e. in the margin)?
Please respond here or directly to me at
[email protected] - many thanks.

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the tip, I will keep it in mind for future use.
I tried the procedure as you suggested for this problem and the change bars still prevail. But at least I know what is most likely happening. I supposed I can recreate, or copy and paste this table back into the document.
FYI - I did get to look at the file as a .mif in MIF Browse and located the cells that were having the change bar problem. The codes for the cells said "Change Bars = no". So that supports what you were suggesting as well.
Thanks again!
Erin

How do I get change bars to appear in Robohelp output?

I am using Frame 11 and Robohelp 10. I have used change bars to mark source content that I have updated (in Frame). When I import and generate output using Robohelp, however, I don't see any indication that that change indicator is coming across anywhere. I need to be able to indicate content changes visually to my audience. Any ideas about how to do that without resorting to changing the content in Robohelp manually or using different para/char styles in Frame?

Yes, I need something in finished help. I need to be able to provide a visual cue to the audience that specific text has changed in both the finished paper and the online outputs. I did this in the past by applying gray highlighting via character formatting in Framemaker. Unfortunately, removing character-level formatting peppered throughout a 600-page guide in Frame is tedious, to say the least. Therefore, I am looking for another solution. I was hoping that change bars would work. You can cause them to appear in the finished Frame output, and I figured that when imported into Robohelp there would be a marker or something in the HTML that I could work with. However, I don't see anything to that effect in the HTML in Robohelp. I am using the import feature. Maybe there is another way for me to bring over the content that will include that metadata? Or perhaps there is an entirely different approach I should be using to achieve my objective?

Track Text Edits Change Bars

FrameMaker 8.0 -- Change bars are showing up for adds but not for deletes. How do I get the bars to show up for both?

Martha, I haven't seen this particular problem in either 8 or 9...
My first thought was that some of the changes were included in other Conditional Text settings so that some of the changes weren't fully applied because some text was hidden by another condition... So you may want to check to see if there's any overlap. But that's just a guess.
And one thing you can try is saving one of the files out to MIF to clean up any stray characters that may have crept in.
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Framemaker v11 Books unable to clear all change bars from documents

I have converted all Framemaker v10 documents to v11 by opening and saving. However when opening the Book v11 for these documents and applying the 'clear all change bars' option a book error log message advises that the documents cannot be opened as they are in a previous version! When performing the same function on the individual documents outside of the Book this works fine. But unable to clear all change bars within a book when selecting all the files in one go. Is there a bug with Books in v11?

My version is FM11.0.0.380 so I will install the patches. I did open all documents up from within the book and then individually saved them, then i applied the 'clear all change bars' and this worked. It just does not seem right that you can clear the change bars from the documents from outside the book but when you try it from within the book it says cannot open document as it was created with a previous version. I have managed to get it working but would be good to know if it is a book bug or not. I will try it on another Book when I have upgraded to the latest patch.

Best Way to Set Change Bars on Right Margin

I'm an InDesign newbie and need to set change bars on the right margin. I have a two-part question.
First: from looking around at relevant blogs/tutorials that I've found, I've come to the conclusion that my best approach is to:
1. Creat an (rectangle) object
2. Draw a line with the desired change bar properties
3. Cut and paste the line into the object
4. Cut the object
5. Use Object > Anchored Object > Insert to set the size and location of the object
5a. X = aligned to page margin at negative width of containing frame (e.g., -45p0)
5b. Y = alingned at baseline
Does this sound right? Are there alternative/better ways?
Second: I need a way to automate the above so that it can be applied to many instances of change. I have character style that marks every change which comes into InDesign from InCopy. From what I've seen, it doesn't look like it will be too hard to write a (javascript) script that does the above for every occurrence of the character style, thus automatically inserting my change bar/anchored object in every location where it's needed.
Does this sound right? Any suggestions or references to existing scripts that do something like this?
Thanks

I think they need a visual in the layout - not just Story Mode.
There's this script here
http://www.kerntiff.co.uk/free-stuff/editmarksviewer
http://www.kerntiff.co.uk/products-4-indesign/editmarks
http://www.kerntiff.co.uk/products-4-indesign/editmarks/editmarks-navigator

How to have a check on change bars and/or tags before generating a PDF

Hi All,
There were many instances where I have generated very huge books (over 1300 pgs), and realize that some chapter(s) (files) are printed along with the tags or the change bars on.
To resolve this, I had to go back and regenerate the same book after removing those properties which is cumbersome.
Is there any solution where I can have a check/popup, before generating the PDF, if any file(s) within a book has tags or the change bars on?
Thanks and regards,
Subhakar

Hi Michael,
Thanks for your response and apologies for not mentioning the FM version (9)
that I am using.
I am now able to clear the tags in all the files within a book by your
suggestion to:
1. Select all files within the book
2. Go to View and select
3. Select Show Element Boundaries (as tags)
This will show the element tags in all the files
4. Select Hide Element Boundaries. This option is visible and enabled only
when I select the Show Element Boundaries.
I am just curious and waiting for your response to have a check on Change
Bars.
Regards,
Subhakar
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How can I generate PDF bookmarks for change bars?

I want to generate PDF bookmarks for text that is marked by change bars when I save as PDF from structured Framemaker 7.1. That way the proofreader can go directly to the pages that contain change bars and proof only that text.

Adding to Arnis' reply:
It is also possible to generate PDF bookmarks for change bars through FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers + Presentation Assistant, as follows:
Change bar has to use a unique color, with a known RGB value
A PDF layer is created automatically based on the specified RGB value, containing all change bars (layer can be set as initially hidden and/or as a non-printing one)
A generic bookmark can be created automatically for each change bar. Since this is not related to the specific text being indicated, the bookmark text has a user-controlled label, optionally autonumbered (eg "Change Bar #1", "Change Bar #2", etc).
After setting the different parameters above, the process is entirely automatic (results are present as soon as the file is Save as PDF or distilled into a PDF).
If this approach is of interest, I can set up sample FM + PDF files.
A different approach -- based on custom markers inserted, with unique text and note attributes -- resulting in Quick-Access Bookmarks, is discussed/demonstrated at http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF06.html .
Shlomo Perets
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Character formats turn on change bars

Hi all
My colleague has noticed something very strange in Framemaker 12. He's created a new character tag, applied it, and hey presto, a change bar appears.
We've checked the character designer, and Change Bars is not selected for that character style.
This only seems to happen for styles that he's created recently.
When he applies the default font option, the change bar disappears.
Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks
Laura

All patched up? If so, you may have found a new bug. Please let Adobe know through the bugbase link.

Red Text with Change Bar, Frame 9

I've been given Frame 9 files that have text copied and pasted from Word. The text is in red, no underlines or strikethroughs, and the change bar runs down the outside column.
I've tried to accept track changes, and the text stays red. I can remove the change bar, but haven't figured out what to do to change the text to black.
I'm assuming this isn't a track change issue, any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter

There are many complications with dealing with text copied in from other apps, but as a first step:
Make a backup of the files (critical)
put your cursor in one of the paragraphs. Double click in the paragraph to select all the text in the paragraph.
Select Format > Characters > Default Paragraph Format
That should remove all of the formatting overrides in the paragraph.
If that works, and you want to do this to the whole document, put your cursor in a paragraph and do Ctl+a to select all the text, then do the same Format > Characters process.
btw, if the Word document did in fact have change tracking turned on and did have changes that hadn't been Accepted in Word, then you might find that the text pasted into FM sometimes has both the old and the changed text splatted together in the FM document. It's always, always better to have all the changes Accepted in Word first.
Sheila

Can I control the change bar position?

In my attach file, I want to control the change bar position. the "red " change bar position.

You can move the change bars farther away from the text frame, you can change the color and thickness of the change bars, but you cannot tell FrameMaker where to start and stop a change bar. In your case, FrameMaker is showing a change in each row of the table; hence, each change bar is shorter than the height of the row. This is the way FrameMaker indicates changes in the content of table cells. You cannot change it. You cannot tell FrameMaker to make consecutive change bars in consecutive table rows continuous.

Keyboard shortcut for change bars

I have the pleasure (?!) of updating the technical content of a whole series of documents written originally by a bunch of people, and sending the results to yet another bunch of people for review. To help the reviewers identify where I've made changes, I use change bars. Great so far...
However, while updating the original work I'm finding that I have to repair spelling, grammar and formatting errors too. The resulting change bars would be a real mess if I didn't turn them off for each of the minor repair jobs, so that they identified only the changes to technical content.
According to the FM Help and other information sources, the ESC c h or the Ctrl+Shift+H keyboard shortcut sequences toggle change bars on and off, but in reality this doesn't happen. Does anyone know of a quick way to toggle change bars?

> According to the FM Help and other information sources,
> the ESC c h or the Ctrl+Shift+H keyboard shortcut sequences
> toggle change bars on and off, but in reality this doesn't happen.
They work for me. Perhaps they don't work the way you expect.
If you want to turn off change bars, so that they're no longer
applied when you make a change, you use "Esc o b" and turn
the function off in the dialog that opens. Turn them on again
in the same way.
If you already have a change bar applied, and you want to
delete it, then you can use Ctrl+Shift+H. The problem is that
the shortcut toggles the change bars, and change bars is a
character property. The easiest way to do it is:
1. Select a range of characters bigger than where the
change actually occurs. If possible, it's often easiest
to select the entire paragraph.
2. Press Ctrl+Shift+H *twice*. The first time, change
bars are applied to all characters. The second time, the
change bars are removed.
Or, use the Find function to search for change bars,
and then press Ctrl+Shift+H *once*. Since the search
selects the exact characters where change bars are
applied, you only need one press to remove them.
/Thomas Michanek
(kind of expert on FM)

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