Chapter markers lost after burn, breaking scripts.

I wrote a script to handle navigation between chapters in a training video.
It reads SPRM 4 to determine the last played chapter and does some arithmetic to calculate the next sequence in the video.
The user is presented with the option to repeat the chapter or continue to the next training sequence.
This works beautifully in the simulator and even in Apple's dvd player but the stand alone players we've tried (a Magnavox and a Sony) don't have the chapter number information. It can be displayed for other projects but for some reason, this dvd lost the chapter numbers during the burn?
Consequently the script that moves to the next chapter doesn't work because the dvd player always feeds it the first chapter number.
The project has 3 tracks. Any input would be most appreciated. I need to know if SPRM 4 just doesn't work on some DVD players.

Sorry,
I was looking at the wrong line in the script. I am checking SPRM 7 for the Current segment of the title (Chapter Marker).
Also I got lost in the nomenclature in your second paragraph. It looks really helpful but I didn't understand what you meant ("Non-sequential PGCs..."). How should I get the dvd to move from track 1 to track 2 and back if I don't set the Next Jump (aside from scripting it)?
Also, where could I find the DVD Spec rules you've alluded to?
Thanks
Here is the script thats being run:
01: mov GPRM 6, SPRM 7
02: mov GRPM 7, SPRM 4
03: sub GPRM 7, 1
04: mul GRPM 7, 128
05: add GRPM 7, 49280
06: add GPRM 7, GPRM 6
07: mov GPRM 6, SPRM 8
08: Goto 13 if (GPRM 6 = 2048)
09: sub GPRM 7, 1
10: sub GPRM 7, 1 if (GPRM 7 = 49285)
11: sub GPRM 7, 1 if (GPRM 7 = 49439)
12: Jump Indirect GPRM 7
13: mov GPRM 7, 49408 if (GPRM 7 = 49313)
14: Jump Indirect GPRM 7
It calculates the valud of the current Chapter in terms of the current track, determines whether the user wanted to repeat the chapter or continue to the next chapter, tests a few special repeat/continue points (jumping back multiple chapters or continuing to the next track) and the jumps to the calculated location.
I realize that I could rewrite this and using a few prescripts and the other scripts in the project so that I don't have to calculate based of SPRM 7 but I'd rather not if it isn't necessary. It seems like the dvd player (stand alone) simply doesn't read the chapter markers. It always repeats to chapter 1 and continues to chapter 2 no matter what.

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Sorry,
I was looking at the wrong line in the script. I am checking SPRM 7 for the Current segment of the title (Chapter Marker).
Also I got lost in the nomenclature in your second paragraph. It looks really helpful but I didn't understand what you meant ("Non-sequential PGCs..."). How should I get the dvd to move from track 1 to track 2 and back if I don't set the Next Jump (aside from scripting it)?
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01: mov GPRM 6, SPRM 7
02: mov GRPM 7, SPRM 4
03: sub GPRM 7, 1
04: mul GRPM 7, 128
05: add GRPM 7, 49280
06: add GPRM 7, GPRM 6
07: mov GPRM 6, SPRM 8
08: Goto 13 if (GPRM 6 = 2048)
09: sub GPRM 7, 1
10: sub GPRM 7, 1 if (GPRM 7 = 49285)
11: sub GPRM 7, 1 if (GPRM 7 = 49439)
12: Jump Indirect GPRM 7
13: mov GPRM 7, 49408 if (GPRM 7 = 49313)
14: Jump Indirect GPRM 7
It calculates the valud of the current Chapter in terms of the current track, determines whether the user wanted to repeat the chapter or continue to the next chapter, tests a few special repeat/continue points (jumping back multiple chapters or continuing to the next track) and the jumps to the calculated location.
I realize that I could rewrite this and using a few prescripts and the other scripts in the project so that I don't have to calculate based of SPRM 7 but I'd rather not if it isn't necessary. It seems like the dvd player (stand alone) simply doesn't read the chapter markers. It always repeats to chapter 1 and continues to chapter 2 no matter what.

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Good questions.
Yes my source clips codec is motion jpeg at 29.97fps.
If I just focus on the second chapter marker in my test sequence (given the automatic first chapter marker is at 0 sec.) it is at 1:01 in the timeline which is off the GOP boundary of 15 frames. When I build the timeline this marker moves 1 frame back to 1 sec., a GOP boundary. Doesn't sound like a big deal but that puts the marker into the previous clip on my time line which causes the automatic thumbnail in my menu to be wrong and there's a little flicker when you jump to this chapter on DVD playback as it plays this one odd frame.
I guess I am transcoding during the build (am I not supposed to?) but I have since tried your idea of trying "transcode now" before the build. It sounded promising. While looking at my second chapter marker in the timeline I clicked transcode now and watched the marker jump back 1 frame. Cool, but I'd rather it didn't do that.
You are right I don't need a menu to examine this. It's just that the thumbnails changing in my menu after a build were the firts indication to me that something was going wrong. Again if I import a file that's already transcoded to En this isn't an issue.
It just looks like En doesn't respect chapter marker locations through the dynamic link to Pr and it should. It rather transcodes first and then adds in the chapter markers as close as it can to their original locations. It's possible I am missing something in my workflow but it at least sounds like you understand what I am experiencing.
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I must be losing it. I meant to post in this thread.
My chapters are clean. Pretty good at avoiding anything problematic. I even keep spaces out of my folder names because when I learned to use computers they weren't allowed. (only 128 characters too, if I remember correctly)
I have the previous versions of Final Cut Studio. The recent decline of DVD and the economy has eaten my departments budget to upgrade the OS to Leopard and to Studio 2 so FCP 5.1.4, etc.
Maybe this has been fixed in the upgrade?
My editor has upgraded. So, this would be entirely a moot issue if Apple saw fit to make their projects backwards compatible. (Don't get me started on that) I guess I will have to stay on top of my contract editors and sending me an XML so I can work in their projects. Or giving me the M2V's I ask for already rendered.
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I must be losing it. I meant to post in this thread.
My chapters are clean. Pretty good at avoiding anything problematic. I even keep spaces out of my folder names because when I learned to use computers they weren't allowed. (only 128 characters too, if I remember correctly)
I have the previous versions of Final Cut Studio. The recent decline of DVD and the economy has eaten my departments budget to upgrade the OS to Leopard and to Studio 2 so FCP 5.1.4, etc.
Maybe this has been fixed in the upgrade?
My editor has upgraded. So, this would be entirely a moot issue if Apple saw fit to make their projects backwards compatible. (Don't get me started on that) I guess I will have to stay on top of my contract editors and sending me an XML so I can work in their projects. Or giving me the M2V's I ask for already rendered.
Until we can upgrade around here.
thanks for the help tho.

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