Chmod -R 700 on home directory doesn't restrict other users

Hi All,
I have several users sharing a mac. I wanted to secure my home directory so I opened a terminal and typed:
cd /users
chmod -R 700 alandye
a ls -l confirmed permissions recursively changed for my home directory and subsidiary directories and files had been set to og-rwx.
Then, I logged in as a different user (tknoble) , and tried to access the directory (alandye)through the finder that I had just restricted permissions on, and viola, I could read any file in there.
This doesn't happen on Unix or Linux, why is it happening here? I tried restricting account tknoble to non-administrative, but got the same problem.
Net/net, finder seems to be ignoring the posix file permissions.
Can anyone explain why this is happening?
thanks,
Alan

... Still, the ACL issue and the open default permissions including the default umask on the Mac has me perplexed. I've used ACL's for years as a system manager on mainframes and other secure enterprise unix platforms, generally through a central administrative console like RACF or ACF2 on the mainframe. It identifies all ACL's on the system and allows you to administer them centrally. The idea that my mac has system generated ACL's that are only accessible through chmod on a file by file basis and are inherently set with open permissions seems like a bad security setup.
First, the default permissions and umask values have been typical of Unix systems since I started using them back in '85. And even in the Family situation, allowing family members the ability to share information is not uncommon, and can be frustrating to the family if everything is totally locked up.
Plus your complaints about ACLs, it just a side issue, as the /User/username folder should have only had an ACL that prevented accidental deletion. Your real problem was cached Finder information. So this ACL discussion is just a tangential issue.
Second, a Mac is a mass market consumer personal computer, with a strong leaning towards 1 person being the owner and user of that computer. It is not typically sold as a Mainframe replacement. Having tightly locked down, no access default permissions and umask just makes life extremely difficult for the mass market consumer.
Applying Mainframe rules to a Mac is only going to frustrate you.
As for having an ACL admin tool besides chmod, for the most part consumers are not aware of ACLs, they are used sparingly on the Mac, and as such it is not something Apple has felt a need to invest in. Maybe there is a 3rd party utility that will provide this service for you.
While investigating this I did discover a similar problem with a RAID array I have attached with similar file permission problems. chmod -R 700 on directories does set the permission bits correctly, but again, finder bypasses them and allows access for other users, even after a reboot. Apparently, according to this http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20020418091450891 the externally attached drives ignore ownership by default.
Again, the Mac is a mass market consumer item. Just about every external drive on a Mac is a detachable device, which can be moved around to other Macs, etc... (especially USB thumb drives, SD cards, etc...). Having these devices default to strict security would again frustrate the mass consumer Mac user, when all they want to do is get their pictures off of the SD card, or move files between 2 computers, etc...
My point is that the defaults Apple has selected are targeted to the mass consumer Mac user. Not the data center mainframe user.
I would encourage you to give Apple feedback on your experiences
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