"Clean" update from Tiger to Leopard

Hi folks,
I plan to update to Leopard when it comes out next week. Since I'm on my first Mac and don't have any experience with installing/upgrading Mac OS I've got a couple of questions.
What I'd like to do is to back up all my stuff on an external drive (I already do that for a while) and then do a clean install of Leopard (that is: erase the harddisk before installing instead of a "live" update). The reason I'd like to do this is that I found out that there's a lot of unused stuff that came with the pre-installed Tiger on my MBP that just wastes space. And some third party applications/drivers that I wanted to check out when I was becoming familiar with working on a Mac also waste space, and a clean install is good way to get rid of this cruft
So the first question is: will I be able to do an "expert" install where I can influence what will be installed (at least to a degree, e.g. select which language files to install) ? I guess only people with access to beta releases of Leopard will be able to answer that, so how is Tiger in this respect ?
Let's assume I now have a clean install of Leopard. I now want my old data back. I know I can backup my iTunes music on CD's/DVD's and should be able to load them back (anything I would have to look out for here ?). I found a document describing how to handle other Apple applications at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301239 , do I need to look out for something else (apart from third party applications) ? My biggest concern is Keychain, BTW.
Thanks for the help,
Marc

Hi folks,
so I'm on Leopard now Here's what I did. Sorry if I misname programs because I've got the german version and translate back to english.
First, I made a "normal" backup using iBackup just to be sure, then did the real backup: I cloned my Macintosh HD partition using Carbon Copy Cloner to an USB disk. I made sure that I was able to boot from that partitition (I've set it as the start volume in the system preferences and it came up fine). I also made a backup of my bought music in iTunes.
After double-checking back and forth I decided I'm ready and went and bought Leopard. I then started the installer and used the disk utility to erase the Macintosh HD volume. I customized the install to not install the languages I don't want and not install the printer drivers (3.8GB...). The install went fine and I was presented with the migration assistent.
I chose to migrate all accounts except my main account because I wanted to only copy the stuff I really need. Unfortunately I don't remember what else I've checked/unchecked. So I was finally able to log in using my administrator account and created a new main account. And now to my manual migration:
One of the first things I had to do was fix the owner of my account in the backup: because I haven't migrated it the user ID was wrong, so I had to "su" to my admin account and then "sudo bash" to become root and "chown -R myname:staff /Volume/Backup/Users/myname". No idea why the new main group for my account is "staff", but "id" says so. I guess there's a good reason for Apple to do that
First thing I wanted to migrate was my KeyChain. I guess I wasn't very clever, but it worked: I opened the KeyChain Helper and added my old KeyChain. I pressed Apple-A to mark all entries in my old keychain and moved them to my new keychain. It worked... but I had to enter my password for each entry, and there were a lot of them :-/
Importing the Safari bookmarks was a peace of cake: there's a "Import bookmarks" menu entry. Nobrainer.
Then I copied my iPhoto folder and realized there's no iPhoto application: so I popped in my MacBook Pro installation disk, ran "Install Bundled Software Only" to install iDVD and iPhoto. Haven't tried iDVD yet, but iPhoto seems to run fine and only copying the iPhoto directory was enough.
I didn't "migrate" my Mail settings as I'm using IMAP, so just entering the data again was faster and sure to work. I haven't really used the addressbook so I haven't tried migrating it.
Re-importing my bought music in iTunes using the backup DVD was also a no-brainer and I re-added the rest of my music to the mediathek (it still doesn't support Ogg Vorbis...).
The rest of my stuff are documents that don't need any special handling so I copied them with Finder. Haven't checked whether Heroes Of Might And Magic V and Civilization IV run but so far everythings seems to be fine. I had 9GB of free space before the update, now it's 40GB... I need to subtract a few GB because of the games and apps I need to reinstall, so let's say 30GB but all in all it was quite success
Bye,
DarkDust

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