Color Process Book Recommendation

I am interested in buying a process color book. I have found a few on-line but would like some people's feedback (pros and cons) before I settle on one (or more than one). I am leaning towards Tintbook. Thanks.
1. Process Color Manual, 24,000 CMYK Combinations for Design, Prepress, and Printing By Pat Rogondino
http://www.amazon.com/Process-Color-Manual-combinations-prepress/dp/B000W91SD2/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253242238&sr=8-1
2. Color Index 2: Over 1500 New Color Combinations. For Print and Web Media. CMYK and RGB Formulas by Jim Krause (I am assuming this is the updated version, no?)
http://www.amazon.com/Color-Index-Combinations-Media-Formulas/dp/1581809387/ref=sr_1_1?ie= UTF8&s=books&qid=1253242261&sr=1-1
3. Complete Color Index by Jim Krause
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Color-Index-Jim-Krause/dp/1600613330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=b ooks&qid=1253242283&sr=1-1
4. Tintbook (coated and uncoated versions)
http://www.tintbook.com/
5. Process Color Book "A5 Perfect Bound".
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/process-color-book-a5-perfect-bound/4481740

Swatch books might be good for inspiration as you muse about color, but they're not much more useful than a box of crayons. Buying a swatch book in the hope that it will give you magic formulae for creating CMYK colors is an exercise in head-banging.
The problem is that CMYK is a device-dependent color space. IOW, the device that prints the CMYK build (offset press) determines the final color.
The 21st century version of swatch books is something like Pantone's GOE system. Each color gives you values expressed in L*a*b, a device-independent color space. Assuming you know your final CMYK output destination (and have an accurate profile of that), you can get a very close match to your expectations.

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Color management book recommendation?

Hi folks,
I've been using Photoshop since version 2, but only as a violinist might relax with a bit of keyboard playing. My main gig over the years has been multimedia programming and 3D animation, both for onscreen delivery in the wonderfully sane world of RGB color.
I now have to turn to print in a big way, and to difficult print at that. I have to create a book cover for a print-on-demand job a Lightning Source. The image has lots of contrast, and LS imposes a no-more-than-240% ink coverage limit in CMYK, which means I'm going to have to massage the dark areas of the image without destroying the beautiful color tonalities of the front cover painting.
So color management is suddenly mission critical, and I'd like to dip my head in the theory in a serious way. If any of you print jockeys could recommend a source on the subject, I'd be grateful. I know Adobe Community Help has videos and article references, and I will peruse them gladly. But what I am looking for is a definitive theoretical groundwork text – something like an O'Reilly book on color management for print media that I can sit down and read cover to cover.
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s-RGB="Satan RGB" I didn't want to mention this in the string because....... As mama used to say "Don't frighten the horses."
The s-RGB gamut is so small and incompatible with traditional CMYK that clipping and shifting is a given.....hence the heavy use of GCR (grey component replacement) and UCR (under color removal) in the printing. GCR is the enemy of the type of rich saturation that we see in this woman's portrait, but complex browns, purples, greens, and reds are very easily changed with even the slightest inattention or miscalibration during a typical press run (Forget about the blues). Swapping out the pigments with neutrals is designed to protect one's image from colorshifting as the inks get slabbered onto the paper. That is why finding a reliable and competent printer is such an important part of the process. Unfortunately, they are a dying breed. Also, sadly, even if one carefully manages the GCR and the UCR (to remove the extra saturation as this "Lightning" place is suggesting is really no guarantee that their print settings (PPDs) will not ovverride even the PDF file itself when they rip it.
That is the reason I suggested the importance of finding a reliable print house or else just making one's file "photo perfect" (without trying to accommodate the print house and then force the printer to reproduce a quality rendition at the proof stage. It is like playing pool on a moving train...all about relativity. Hence my caveat.
Your adjustment looks great....looking at the pdf of your curve adjustments, by the way. Still the presses haven't had their way with her yet. And that is the endgame. If we did not have to farm stuff out we could set our GCR and UCR in Photoshop along with our calibration process built to our own press specifications and forget about it. But the inmates do run the asylum. There I go, scaring the horses.
Something I remembered. A conversation with Bruce and Russell P.Brown (1997?) whom, if I remember correctly had some powerful new toys (Gee, how did he get a hold of THAT stuff???? LOL) One of his projects had to do with scanning the environment (my term for it) and he had images that were plotted at full size on a large plotter (Not QUITE the Grand Canyon but HUGE). The discussion/debate revolved around Russell's ability to reproduce the image without swapping the format and/or geeking with the gamut problems inherent in CMYK conversion. I didn't get it, really, and I do not think that Bruce got it...well let us say he was openly dubious...still Russell's very large printout was spectacular and Russell, being Russell was too excited to give a pixel. Late night standoff! Walking away, I realized that with newer pigments that were available from the digital printing world, I would have to stay on my toes when it came to discussing any print end format because the traditional CMYK printing inks were being seriously upgraded with the newer electrostatic and gelatin print technologies. (especially with Kodak and Agfa being such big players with the Creo purchase of Scitex and Agfa being Agfa). It seems now that we are in a whole new world and I am loathe to proclaim the ancient truths of CMYK as we traditional printers knew it. I have seen some work coming off of these newer printers that transcend the CMYK gamut. (It is interesting to think that the age of "cold type printing" lasted about twenty years before it began to be obsolete. One of the bonus points of geezerism (if I may use the term loosely) is the perspective of time warp speed of tech obsolescence. It seems sometimes that halfway through an answer to any given question the answer becomes quaintly out of date.
I can say that any equation depends on isolating the variables and finding those constants that will endure. Best example..... the half-life of Adobe 1998 as a transcendent color space. I am now convinced that ProPhoto has a fuller and more malleable gamut for the newer devices as well as the offset presses that will be with us for a while longer.
So I guess, my point is that one has to plant the flag somewhere. Pick any locus and relate to that to build one's foundation (s-RGB or 72 ppi for example) and know that in the shifting sands of a million minds, there will be hordes of wild indians waiting to excoriate the status quo without understanding the very underpinnings of the process.
One thing I have noticed in the fora is the very vituperation is inversely proportional to one's experience. That is one of the ways that people like Mssrs. Fraser, Brown, McClelland, and even you stand out. The dialog is temperate yet radically outrageous. I am not sure sometimes if the science has not turned to theatre. Hah!
I rant, but towards a point that recedes as I approach it.
Namely this:
be forgiving towards the quirks and kinks in the Adobe approach, the product, as does all revolutions, breeds evolution. Though each of their programs converts your average PANTONE color with a different ink percentage.
One does appreciate an open mind. Thanks for that.
Charlie Copeland (no not that one!)

Pantone 2563 in Color Bridge Book (UK)

Hi there,
Can anyone help me please, please, please...
I have a logo that I need to show all the conversions for in: Pantone (2563), CMYK, RGB & Hex.
All I need to know is what the Pantone Color Bridge book says but my manager has lost my book (and annoyingly hasn't replace it yet, even though I've waited six months!) so I am having great difficulty in knowing if my conversions are correct.
If someone out there could help me by literally telling me what the book says for Pantone 2563 then I would be most grateful as at the moment I am pulling out my hair!
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Jo

Jo,
you want consistent colors as Spot, in CMYK and in RGB.
The color is defined as Pantone Coated spot ink 2563C.
Right ?
1. Define in Photoshop your RGB space, for instance sRGB.
2. Define in Photoshop your CMYK space, for instance ISO Coated.
3. Define as well a Gray TRC, maybe Black Ink ISO Coated
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a better substitute for a single dot gain number).
4. Define as well a Spot TRC, maybe Black Ink ISO Coated.
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Photoshop / Color Picker / Color Libraries / Pantone Coated 2563C.
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of RGB and CMYK choices. Absolute references.
Back to Color Picker / Read CMYK values / Read RGB values /
Read hex values for RGB (used in HTML, practically only for sRGB).
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printed or digital swatch book ?
Because the CMYK numbers are valid for a SPECIFIED printing
process (your choice), which contains inks, paper and dot gain.
How to check the conversion quality/robustness:
Fill a rectangle by 2563C or simply by the Lab color.
View / Proof colors for ISO Coated / Gamut warning: no problem.
View / Proof colors for sRGB / Gamut warning: no problem.
Result: this spot color can be printed by spot ink, by CMYK
ISO Coated and it can be reproduced nicely on monitors which
are near to sRGB.
If the percentages for Y and K (for the example 2563C) should
be very low , then I would try to replace these values by 0.
For ISO Coated these values are 0.
Hopefully I understood your task correctly.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

How do I remove cmyk profiles from a pdf. and keep it strictly 2 color process?

My company is trying to outsource a booklet to an offset printing company. We are strictly digital printing, and I honestly have no experience with offset. In the past I would build the documents with the pantone colors that were needed in whatever software I was using to create it (Illustrator, Indesign), do my checks and fixes in Acrobat and send it to the printer, and it would get done. The current printer is having an issue with the files that I'm giving him. He says, that the files contain CMYK profiles, and has to strictly be 2 color process. The file is pointing to the correct spot colors, but it does still does contain the CMYK profiles, list I have no idea how to remove the CMYK profiles, I can convert them to RGB, but that doesnt help. How do I remove these profiles and make the PDF strictly use spot colors, or does this not make any sense, Honestly it doesn't to me.

Honestly it does not to me either.
You have a history of creating spot color files - but are using a new vendor...what I'm hearing from the vendor doesn't make sense
...do my checks and fixes in Acrobat and send it to the printer, ...
Have you checked the PDF - verified that your Spot colors are Spots, not cmyk builds?
The current printer is having an issue with the files that I'm giving him. He says, that the files contain CMYK profiles, and has to strictly be 2 color process.
Communicate very clearly - cmyk profiles or cmyk elements?
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>--Original Message--
>From: [email protected]
>Date: 10/06/2009 15:25
>To: "Martin Coleman"<[email protected]>
>Subj: Book Recommendation for Fathers Day?
>
>Mordy Goldings Real World Adobe Illustrator CS 4
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Adobe-Illustrator-CS4/dp/0321573552
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>Mordy has a very clear way of writing.
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Hi,
I had the same problem with a repeated crash on page 17 of a 78 page book.
I tried fix 1 and fix 2 recommended by Old Toad,checked and removed duplicate fonts, delete preferences, uninstalled & reinstalled iPhoto and then wiped my MacBook and did a clean install of Snow Leopard. I even bought more RAM as my MacBook was struggling with 2Gb and using the hard drive as virtual memory. Still the same problem with the crash on the same page.
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Tearing my hair out here, so I'm turning to people no doubt far more knowledgeable and experienced than me!
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Eric,
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