ColorChecker Passport-Color Profiles

Hi there,
I am photographing paintings with Elinchrom flashes with an even light and I use the ColorChecker Passport from X-Rite to keep a reference in order to match the colors.
Till now, I've been using the software DNG profile manager, provided with the ColorChecker Passport from X-Rite, which creates a camera profile that should be helpfull to get the right color. Once I've applied the new camera profile (after restarting lightroom), I do the white balance. It's recommended on the X-Rite tutorial to use the target number 20 called "neutral 8" to do the white balance. I've also tried the target 22 called "neutral 5", and it seems to get slightly better results.
I've noticed that even creating a color profile and doing the white balance the colors don't match. I am using a mac laptop screen that I calibrate quite often, which is not very helpful for obvious reasons, but that helps to keep track of the general look of the image, so that's why I keep the color adjustment to the RGB numbers.
I've downloaded the following PDF; here there is some information about the RGB values of various ColorChekers:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babelcol or.com%2Fdownload%2FRGB%2520Coordinates%2520of%2520the%2520Macbeth%2520ColorChecker.pdf&rc t=j&q=ColorChecker%20rgb%20values&ei=wOCdTbG7NIyDhQelj5G8BA&usg=AFQjCNGj3wUpWC_uMxgMCeR3GI yN7kDU0A&sig2=mPf1grSAULxyMs_SanYVNw&cad=rja
Using these values and a selective color layer in photoshop I get close to the real colors, although it is not good enough.
My questions are:
1-Does anybody know the ColorChecker Passport RGB (Adobe 98) values?
2-I've tried to use the DNG profile editor because it seems a precise tool for this, but it doesn't recognise the 5D Mark II files. Is it because this application hasn't been updated? It also seems to work only with 6500K or 2850K, which is not the case of the Elincrhom 600 monoblocks I am using (which I think are around 5000K.
3-Could anybody recommend a workflow that's better to match the colors?
I have more questions, but I think these three are a good start.
Thanks!

Here are color-error analysis plots for several camera calibrations using the fine-art color-checker calibration shot uploaded, earlier.
The three profiles tested were:
1)  A custom Elinchrom Flash profile I created from the color-checker using the DNG Profile Editor,
2)  The Adobe Standard camera profile,
3)  The custom profile provided by Gustov.
My general comment would be that the Adobe Standard profile has about the same error as the custom profile I computed using the DNG Profile Editor but the Adobe profile has a more even distribution of the color error.
The profile Gustov provided seems to be very close in the yellow area, but quite far off in the reds, blues, and violets. This can also be seen as a severe shift toward the green of the WB Tint slider value when the profile is selected for the As Shot WB as compared to the almost zero value when using the Adobe Standard profile.
These color-error plots were created using the ColorCheck module of Imatest Studio 3.7 from www.imatest.com.  The program compares the measured color values from a color-checker image to the standard color numbers of the Color Checker then plots the difference on a CIE chromicity diagram, where the squares are the standard color position, the circles are the measured color position, and length of line in between is the color-error.  In general, error in-and-out from the center is saturation error, while error around the center is hue error.  In a 3D plot luminance error is also shown but harder to visualize without a way to rotate the plot around.  Imatest provides this visualization in its Multicharts module.
I used the ProPhotoRGB colorspace when saving the TIF out of ACR because the standard ProPhotoRGB color-checker numbers in Imatest are for D50 lighting whereas the AdobeRGB standard numbers are for D65 lighting.  As the image-filenames suggest, I used a linear toning curve and a black-point of 0 when saving out of ACR, but left the brightness at 50 and the contrast at 25.  I tried zeroing out the brightness and contrast or using the Medium Contrast toning curve but things were way off.  Using a blackpoint of 0 instead of the default of 5 also made things slightly better.  There are scripts that can compute the optimal toning values for the gray patches but I was only comparing profiles, not trying to optimize them completely.

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    I'd be curious to hear with others have to say.
    Best,
    CD
    Message was edited by: ChristopherDavid

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