Composite components with logic in JSF 1.2
Hi there,
I wonder if anyone could direct me to a god, top-to-bottom, easy to follow tutorial on how to create custom composite components in JSF 1.2 with server-side logic. I've read on this forum (http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?forumID=427&threadID=5353923) that the version 1.1 was actually easier in this regard but unfortunately I'm bound to work with 1.2 and still need to solve the problem. Here's what I need:
I need a composition component composed of an h:inputText and rich:calendar as icon-only. I need to be able to add some custom JavaScript on top of the page (once and only once), be able to bind the component's value to a bean (that'd be at the value bound to the h:inputText being part of the composition) and set a couple of additional properties that either be propagated to the rich:calendar, h:inputText or just be used during the custom rendering process.
The reason for that is that the rich:calendar component does not allow arbitrary text to be stored in the backing bean which is a strong requirement for the application I'm writing. The user-entered text is then transfered over the wire and must stay exactly the same as it was entered. Another point to make is that the controls need to be in a particular envelope (a table with single row and two cells) for proper scaling in the parent table cell.
So far I've tried to do it using Facelets (which failed due to the fact that the final control needs to have id composed of parent's id and some text which is not usable from within the call to rich:clientId(...)), I've tried to add controls to a parent control (which failed because the value was not stored properly in the backing bean) and tried to extend the rich:calendar control to add the separate h:inputText to it (which sort of worked, but didn't store/restore the state to/from the backing bean. In the last two approaches I've been adding the components in encodeAll() if they were not already there in the getChildren() list.
I'm desperate!!!
Thanks for your help!
To be more specific (if anyone here knows ASP.NET): The UserControl has something called Page, that component has Header and Body, if I add something to the Header (like Link for one) then it'll appear in the head section of my page.
I need the component to add one JavaScript file that will contain my client-side logic (it's not trivial nor short so it needs to be externalized).
Apart from that it's not doable for me to do all the rendering for myself because the controls I'm using have to be from RichFaces (architect's decision - not mine). So all I can do is either manually glue things together in the xhtml template directly and add the necessary JS to the template (again: manually), or create a compound component that will be composed of the two components that already do what I need them to do and add the necessary additional JS file automatically when the component is added to the page.
However what I wanted to do is to create a component that will reuse the functionality of one of the RF components and add an input field in front of it that'll hold String and not Date (like the cumbersome RF component does).
Can you help?
Edited by: padcom on Jun 7, 2010 12:15 PM
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* In the hyper-draw >> note velocity section--- This is highly annoying to work with... It's far from user friendly. first of all, to move a note's velocity position, you have to click on the "ball".. if you click on the line, it does nothing.. Because the ball is so small to begin with, quite often the user is going to miss the ball and somehow begin to "START LINE"-- Which is weird because it's activated by holding the mouse button down briefly. There really should be a "line tool" for this, because "START LINE" is too easily accidentally activated-- this is frustrating for the user. Most important though, these 'velocity markings' should be adjustable by clicking on the line as well-- not just the ball.. there should be a 2-3% area around each ball/line which logic will recognize as part of the ball/line so that it can easily be moved. I also feel that there should be some specific features for this section, such as a way to select multiple note velocities and apply a random pattern to them, or apply a logarithmic curve to the line tool. Yes, you can accomplish this stuff somewhat with the transform tool-- but this way would be more user friendly, and allow a lot more creative flow.
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* When one event is selected, by moving down X number, holding shift+clicking SHOULD select all events between those two points. However, the shift key for some reason acts as the OPTION key does in the finder-- (meaning it will only add one additional selection at a time).. This is highly inconsistent with the actual behavior of a Mac... Open a finder window and hold shift and click on items that are not vertically next to each other and a group is selected... Now do it in logic, and it causes GREAT frustration and annoyance. What happens if you have a million note events that you want to erase? You have to go page by page and click with shift on each one?? Or drag a selection and wait for logic to scroll you to where you want to go?????????? No thanks.
Arrange stuff:
* "REGIONAL CONTENT" (meaning the visual representation of note events) does not accurately depict the event data as note lengths cannot be visually identified. Everything shows up as a generic quarter note... My #1 suggestion is that regional content should be customizable so that you can view it in a miniature matrix data style. The biggest problem for me is that I cannot see where my notes end-- I can only see where they start, this makes it very difficult to identify what I am looking at.
* Track automation data should only be inputable by the pencil tool. I cannot mention how many times automation data has accidentally altered when using the arrow tool. The pencil tool should allow you to raise and lower the lines reflecting automation data... What is the point using the pencil tool for automation if it's only function is to create "points" yet you can also create points with the arrow tool..??? Pencil tool should act as the arrow tool does in the sense that it raises or lowers automation data.
* Recording preferences do not offer the option to automatically merge new part with existing part when a region is NOT selected. How annoying is it to have to select a part every time you want to record something just so it will be included in that original part!
* Ruler at the top of the screen should also give an option for tuplets. 5, 7, etc.
* When in record mode, if you click on the ruler to another time position, all audio instruments cut out and it takes approximately 3-4 seconds before tracks begin playing audio. This becomes very annoying if you are trying to do a pick up and want to just start 1 measure before hand.
* There should be a way to EASILY (without having to cable two tracks together in the environment) temporarily link multiple tracks together so that automation data will be duplicated. So theoretically you can link 3-4 tracks together, and by adding automation data to one, you are adding it to all 4.
* If a part is soloed, and you hit record. The part stops being soloed and you can no longer hear it. This makes it impossible to record a pick up on a soloed track unless it's locked, but it shouldn't need to be locked.
* When you are zoomed in tightly, and you are trying to align notes within two parts on different tracks (meaning using the PSEUDO NOTATION DATA that appears in the part to align), there needs to be a VERTICAL line that snaps to the note closest to the mouse cursor. When trying to do this in parts that are a far vertical distance apart, it becomes VERY difficult to eye this alignment. Logic does this with automation data.. but for some reason they left it out for actual part alignment...
* There should be a way to force the downbeat of a measure to occur at any given moment... What I mean by this, is composing for film is an absolute PAIN in Logic. Scenes, last for odd amounts of time, and Logic's reference manual claims that you can solve this by using various tempo tricks, however it is ineffective for the most part. What Logic needs is the ability where you can click on a drop down menu item within the arrange window and FORCE that where ever the song locator is, the rest of the measure is eliminated and a new measure downbeat occurs right there. This will allow you to always have new scenes on the downbeat of a measure without having to mess with your tempo and meter.
Hyper Edit Window:
* I can't even begin to comment on this... The hyper edit window is one of the worst things I have ever seen in a music/audio program. It is a horrible interface, you can't get it to do anything correctly without messing everything up. This thing needs a complete overhaul... I mean, just try to create a simple crescendo with note velocity and it will take you all night.. Try to add pitch bend data, and it adds note velocity data as well.. It's a total nightmare, and I would love to hear someone's practical application of this window.
Score Window:
* The method that the song position locator moves along with the notation is very strange. It is not at all how a person's eyes function when reading music. A much more logical approach to this would be for a transparent colored block of some type to highlight an entire measure, and each note head will glow as it sounds. The current way is so strange, it speeds up and slows down-- makes absolutely no sense, and it is more disruptive than anything.
* When the Hyper Draw > note velocity area is exposed, if you use the velocity tool to increase/decrease a particular note's volume, the data in the hyper draw window does not update in real-time as you use the velocity tool. This behavior is inconsistent with the matrix > hyper draw's note velocity section-- where as in that area, the velocity ball/lines do update in realtime.
EXS24:
* when you are in many levels of subdirectories and you are auditioning instruments, it becomes very time consuming and annoying to have to continually trace through all the subdirectory paths. There should be a feature directly under the load instrument window that takes you to the subdirectory of the current instrument.
* Seems when SONG SETTING > MIDI > "chase" is turned on... When starting sequences using audio instruments, (I am using a harp sample within the exs24), there is a latency hiccup upon starting, which is very disruptive when trying to listen to a short isolated moment in a composition. And I do want to chase note events in general-- but this present situation makes it difficult for me to work. I would suggest that you can specify tracks to exclude chasing.. Or fix the latency hiccup issue.
Thank you.
-Patrick
http://collinatorstudios.comthis is excellent patrick. can you number your points so that the thread can be discussed?
1. yes
2. ok
3. great idea
4. even better idea. you could set something up with aggreagate device i suppose but it would be better to have the feature to hand.
5. you need to look into your project manager prefs. scan the paths and the links to the audio files will be saved meaning they will load up in a fraction of the time.
6. yes this is nuts. you can skip all and sort it out with PM but then you shouldn't have to.
7. this exists already. perhaps it ought to be a default but you need to set your esx prefs to 'keep common samples in memeory when switching songs'. then it will do just as you wish it to. you can also use the au lab in the devlopers kit which will allow you to load in au units etc seperately from logic, which logic can then access. this is a good way of getting around the 4 GB memory limit with logic too.
8. ok, don't know about this bug.
9. yep happens here too.
10. doesn't worry me this one. you can turn off midi out.
11. yes this is silly.
12. well, i think this is something we can get used to. i am a musician and i am used to seeing '24'.
13. you can already set up groove templates to allow for quantizing irrational tuplets. i do it all the time. i would like to see step input for irrational tuplets though.
14. yes this is silly. the button for the KC 'content catch' is getting very worn out.
15. ok.
16. not sure i understand this one.
17. yes this drives me nuts too. i have to lock screensets to get this to stay off.
18. you can use KCs for 'go into/out of sequence' - but yeah.
19. ok
20. there are a couple of features that use old technology that cause hangs and poor performance. score is a good example of that. maybe the matrix is too. the score is being updated we assume with newer technology maybe the matrix will too.
21. there are probably better ways of adjusting velocity than using matrix or hperdraw velocity. have you tried holding control-option and click dragging a note in score?
22. as i pointed out in 20, this is an old feature. you could change things to be consistent with modern macs and annoy long term users such as myself, or leave them and let them be inconsistent to confuse newbies. i think depending on what it is we oldies could upgrade our work habits.
23. this one doesn't worry me so much.
24. good point (no pun intended).
25. well, i find the opposite - that merging new parts to objects i have accidentally selected to be annoying. perhaps more detailed prefs?
26. yep.
27. this will be down to your audio settings. you can improve this lag but it will be dependant on the capabilities of your system.
28. i don't know why this feature doesn't work in logic. it is supposed to have ti already and i just don't understand why it doesn't. maybe it will be fixed in the next upgrade.
29. agreed.
30. ok - i have other work flows for this but it would be nice.
31. i don't agree that logic is a pain to score with to film, i do it nearly everyday. but you are discribing an interesting feature which might be worth discussing more. i think you might find yourself getting alarming and unmiscal results doing this that will end up having to be sorted out the conventional way. but its a good idea.
32. oh yes.
33. yeah - this could be improved.
34. ok, well i wouldn't go about it this way, but yeah there is generally sticky spots with regards to updating of information al around logic.
25. very very good idea.
26. there are lots of problems with the chase function. very annoying. i certainly agree with this.
in general, some of these could well be done as their own threads. some of the missing functionality may exist. if you can confirm a bug then you are on stronger ground when you submit feedback. but this list is full of fantastic ideas. -
The best way to get help with logic
I was posting in a thread on support for logic which appears to have been deleted. anyway, what I was going to say I think is useful info for people, so I'm going to post it anyway. to the mods - it doesn't contain any speculation about policies or anything like that. just an explanation of my views on the best way to deal with issues people have with logic, which I think is a valuable contribution to this forum.
I think there's a need for perspective. when you buy an apple product you get 90 days of free phone support to get everything working nice and neat. you can call them whenever, and you could actually keep them on the phone all day if you wanted, making them explain to you how to copy a file, install microsoft office, or any number of little questions no matter how simple - what is that red button thingy in my window for?.. on top of that, you've got a 14 day dead on arrival period (or 10 days I can't remember) in which if your machine has any kind of hardware fault whatsoever it's exchanged for a totally new one, no questions asked. a lot of people complain that applecare is overpriced.. and if you think of it just as an extended warranty, then it is a little pricey. but if you are someone that could use a lot of phone support, then it's actually potentially a total bargain. the fact that 2 or more years after you bought a computer, you could still be calling them every single day, asking for any kind of advice on how to use anything on the machine, is quite something. many people on this forum have had problems when they made the mistake of upgrading to 10.4.9 without first creating a system clone or checking first with their 3rd party plug in vendors to make sure it was ok. so, with apple care, you could call them and keep a technician on the phone _all day_ talking you through step-by-step how to back up all of your user data, how to go through and preserve your preferences and any other specific settings you might not want to lose, and then how to rollback to an earlier OS version.. they'll hold your hand through the whole thing if you need them to.
as for applecare support for pro apps like logic, I'd be the first person to agree that it's not great for anyone except beginners and first time users. if you look at what it takes to get even the highest level of logic certification, it's all pretty basic stuff. and logic doesn't exist in a vacuum, there is an entire universe of 3rd party software and hardware, as well as studio culture and advanced user techniques that are going to be totally invisible to some poor phone support guy at apple that did a logic 101. but it's not hard to see that apple are trying to promote a different kind of support culture, it's up to you to decide whether you want to buy into it or not.
the idea is that they are able to provide basic setup support for new users, including troubleshooting. because it's a simpler level of support, at least they can do this well. so there's no reason why any new user with say a new imac and logic can't get up and running with the 90 days of phone support they get for free.
but the thing is, for extremely high end pro users it's a different matter altogether. pro use of logic within the context of say, a studio or a film composition scenario is a very different world. it's almost a nonsense to imagine that apple could even hire people capable of giving useful support for this end of the spectrum, over the phone. there are so many variables, and so many things that require a very experienced studio person or in-work composer to even begin to understand the setup, let alone troubleshoot it. and it's a constantly evolving world, you actually have to be working in it and aware of developments on 3rd party fronts as well as changes in hardware.. not to mention even changes in the culture of studio production and the changed expectations that come from that. there's no way some poor little guy sitting at a help desk at apple can even hope to be privy to that kind of knowledge. it's already good enough that they don't outsource their support staff to india, let alone go out to studios and hire the very people with the skills that should be staying in the studio! not answering phones for apple.
so, given this reality.. companies have two choices. they can either offer an email based support ticket system, which others do. but in my opinion.. this can just be frustrating and only a half-solution. sure you 'feel' like you are getting a response from the people that make the software and therefore must know it.. but it's not really the case due to what I said above. DAWs don't exist in a vacuum, and so much of what you need to understand to help people requires an intimate knowledge of the music industry in which they are working. you still won't get that from steinberg, even if they sort of answer your emails. the other problem is that this kind of system can mean sporadic answers, a lot of tail-chasing, and quite often you won't get an answer that helps you in the end anyway.
the other model is to foster a strong user support culture. some people react in the wrong way to this idea.. they just think it's a big brush off from the manufacturer, saying we don't care, go sort it out yourselves.. but this isn't true. apple has a classification for pro resellers called 'apple solutions expert - audio'. what this means is that these dealers are recognised as audio specialists and they can receive extra support and training from apple for this. but more importantly than this.. most of them are music stores, or pro gear dealerships that are also mac and logic dealers. they already employ people that have worked or do work in the music industry, and are constantly on top of all of this stuff. apple encourages these dealers to run workshops, and to provide expert sales advice in the very niche area that logic is in, which they can do far better than some generic apple store ever could. but most importantly, they are encouraged to offer their own expert after-sales support and whatever other value-adding expertise they can, to get sales. because margins in computer gear are so tight nowadays, discounting is not really a viable option for these dealers to guarantee getting musicians to buy computers and logic setups from them. the only companies that can entice people with a lower price a big online wholesalers or big chain stores. so the best idea for these niche expert stores to get sales is to offer you their own experts to help with configuration, ongoing support and to generally make it a better idea that you bought your system from them rather than from some anonymous online store. I can see the wisdom of this.. it puts the support back out there on the ground where it's needed, and also where it can work best. apple could never hope to offer the same level of expertise in helping a film composer work through some issues with a specific interface or some highly specific issue they have with getting a task done. no big software manufacturer could do this anywhere near as well as people out there that have worked in studios or currently do work in studios. so in my opinion it's a far better model to foster this kind of support culture, along with training courses, books and training video support. also user forums like this one are possibly one of the most valuable ports of call anyone could ask for. apple couldn't replicate this with their own staff, even if they tried. and even if they made a system where some of the people close to logic development were able to answer emails, it would still be nowhere near as useful, as rapid or as capable of being up to speed with logic use out in the real world with 3rd pary gear, as any of these other methods are.
the only thing I think they could do better would be to publish a list of known bugs which are officially recognised. this would help everyone and put an end to a lot of wasted time and speculation on if something is a bug totally to do with logic, or if it's a specific issue raised by a particular configuration.
but really, in my view, a 3rd party support and training culture through a combination of specialist dealers, consultants that literally run a business setting up computers for pro-users and helping them keep it all working, online user-to-user forums and published materials really are the way forward.In all honesty this is currently the 3rd "logicboard" (motherboard)
in my powerbook due to a design flaw regarding the 2nd memory slot....
Yep. Mine failed five weeks after I bought it. However, I bought it for work and couldn't afford being without it for four weeks while they fixed it, so I had to live with it. My serial number did not entitle me to a replacement either, post Applecare.
My firewire ports have burnt out from a third-party defective device (no hot-plugging involved)
My screen is blotchy (my PW serial number did not entitle me to a replacement).
My battery serial number did not entitle me to a replacement, and is not that good these days.
My guaranteed Powerbook-compatible RAM is actually not, causing RAM related problems, most notably these days meaning that as soon as I switch to battery power, the laptop crashes, so I can only use mains power. The company I bought it from stopped taking my calls and wouldn't replace it after they replaced it once, so I'm stuck with it. And of course, only one ram slot is working, so I can't even use my original stick in the first slot, which would shift the dodgy stuff away from the lower system area.
My power supply failed at the weak spot and caught fire. I managed to break apart the power supply and recable it so I didn't have to buy a new power supply, although the connection at the laptop end is loose (all the more fun that as soon as power is lost, the laptop crashes - see above). The power supply is held together with gaffa tape. Silver gaffer tape though, so it's still kind of 'Appley"...
My internal hard drive is dying - four or five times now it clicks and won't power up, causing the laptop to die.
One foot has fallen off (but glued back on).
The lid is warped.
The hinge is loosish.
The S-Video adaptor cable is intermittent.
But aside from all that, I have looked after it well, and I love it to death. Just as well, because it doesn't look like it will be that long...
But it still "just works". Apart from the battery power obviously. And the ram slot. And the ram. And the screen. And the hard drive. And the firewire ports. And the feet.
But everything apart from the main board, the screen, the case, the hard drive and the power supply works fine. So thats... er..
Hmm. -
Garritan Personal Orchestra with Logic?
Is anyone here using the Garritan Personal Orchestra with Logic?
How stable is this within Logic, any troubles?
Also, how do the solo string instruments sound, realistic or synthy?I have absolutely no problems with using the Garritan Personal Orchestra (GPO) with Logic. Currently, the GPO uses Native-Instrument's +Kontakt 2 Player+ as do many, many other instrumental libraries. With that in mind, the other instrumental libraries (powered by +Kontakt 2 Player+ ) work just fine with Logic as well. Very shortly, though, the GPO will be coming out with its own "player" called Aria. To make a somewhat long story short, Aria works just fine with Logic as well.
As for the sound of GPO's solo string instruments. . . . I tell you, any of the sounds can and do sound unrealistic or synthy if played without manipulation. What makes them sound quite realistic is a tiny bit of effort with controlling the volume, vibrato, and a couple of audio parameters that can (and should) be manipulated during the sequencing process. But this is true for most if not ALL orchestral libraries made by any of the other instrumental software companies. For just a little under $200.00 (USA) dollars, you get a whole LOT of orchestral instruments that sound quite convincing. . . with a little effort! I would say that GPO is an EXCELLENT orchestral library to start with if you plan on doing lots of orchestral compositions for almost any musical situations. If you're like me, than you might want to later invest in other orchestral libraries and use them in combination with the GPO library. Again, with a little effort, one can achieve an even MORE realistic sound using combinations of instrumental software libraries.
But I suggest that you simply visit the GPO site. There you'll find a HUGE selection of demos that show off the GPO library in a very convincing way! I have heard examples by people who put a whole LOT of effort in their sequencing project that just sound very, very life-like! So not only did they put LOTS of effort in manipulating the individual orchestral sounds (including strings), but they put LOTS of effort in planning careful instrumental placement in the stereo field, proper use of reverb, EQing, etc., etc. There truly are examples of very life-like sounding orchestrations using GPO on the official web site! (There are also some very less than convincing examples as well.) So, take some time and explore the web site: http://www.garritan.com.
You'll find even MORE examples at: http://www.northernsounds.com
Good luck with your decision. . .
Ted
P. S. Just for a little clarification. . . . the +Kontakt 2 Player+ (that currently houses GPO and many other instrumental libraries) can be a bit of a challenge to configure to work properly with the multi-instrument function found within Logic Pro 8. It's also a bit of a CPU and memory hog. But with some adjustments and some proper configuration, the +Kontakt 2 Player+ and its instrumental libraries that it powers will work just fine with Logic. -
Correct binding order in a Cluster with logical switches, NIC teams, and vNICs on the host.
I have seen many recommendations to set the network binding order on you Hyper-V hosts to something similar to:
Management NIC
Cluster NICs
iSCSI NICS
However, all of these recommendations are for scenarios where the NICs are all physical NICs in the host.
Using Server 2012 R2, I am building converged networks with logical switches, NIC Teams, and vNICs on the host. So when I go set the network binding order, I now have all these components to deal with as well. For example, on a 4 adapter blade,
I might typically have the following items in the binding order drop-down.
4 - physical NICs (2- teamed for the 1 virtual switch, the other 2 used for iSCSI)
1 - Team interface (Datacenter_Switch)
5 - vNICs (Management, Cluster, LiveMigration, iSCSI-1, iSCSI-2)
So, should you only worry about order of the vNICS (placed at the top) and let the other components just fall to the bottom of the list? This seems to be likely to me, since the binding order applies to service access to the resources, and the other
components are not being directly accessed by network services?
Or, should the order start out with the physical resources needed to access the vNICs, followed by any intermediate resources (switches or team interfaces, then the vNICS themselves, to ensure that the resources are available to the subcompnents accessing
them?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
-Tim ReidIf by 'network binding order' you mean the order set in the Advanced Settings of the Network Connections of the Control Panel, then the most important one is to make sure the domain network is at the top of the list. Whichever network is at the top
of the list is used first for auth functions. So auth functions perform best when the proper network is placed first in the binding order. After that, I don't know that it makes much difference at all. (If it does, I'm sure my statement will
start a lively discussion. <grin>)
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I'm trying to set up Reaktor 5 v.5.1.2 to run with Logic 7.2...?
I'm trying to set up Reaktor 5 v.5.1.2 to run with Logic 7.2. I have none idea how to do it as I haven't got the manual to help me out. Does anybody knows if I can configure Reaktor to run with Logic after it has been installed? If so, how?
Thanks for all of your help -- I greatly appreciate it and look forward to the responses.Are you sure about this?
This is the current demo info from their site. This version has the AU.
"Version 5.0.0.020
For Mac OS X
Size: 47.8 MB (runs stand-alone and as plug-in via Audio Units, RTAS und VST 2)
Includes 21 Ensembles from the new library plus hundreds of components to construct new instruments
After installing the software, a quick manual and two tutorials can be found inside the "Reaktor 5 Demo/Documentation" folder.
Demo version can be used for 30 days."
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Is it possible to use jsf-libraries from wls 10.3.1 on 10.3.0?
Or how to use newer version of jsf implementation than JSF RI 1.2_03 on wls 10.3?
I have also use RichFaces 3.3.1 and when I have tried to use Mojarra 1.2_12 richfaces components haven't worked correctly.
Thanks in advance,
LukeI looked there and
"If your try to ship your webapplication with a separate JSF implementation, you are free to do this. Keep in mind, that the dependency injection mechanisms does not work with managed beans, if you do not use any of the WLS provided JSF containers.
Declaring something like this:
@EJB
private MySession session;
will lead to a java.lang.NullPointerException because of the missing depencency injection mechanisms. Would love to know any details about this. Maybe I'll find out more in the future.."
The problem is that I use annotations like @EJB, so ...
I'm still waiting for solution how to implement WeblogicInjectionProvider.
Regards,
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Work with logic - not against it ( I learned now)
As an old user of logic, since way back I had BIG problems, when starting on 8.x.x
First I wanted everything to look N feel like before.
Tried all kind of tricks amoung other, to get rit of the transport bar ( former open trash, now 8.0.1 gone trick)
Even tried to import 7.x.x project and made them templates ( wanted two windows horizontly)( arrange+mixer/piano roll)
Now after a few days, I suddently found out..
Instead of "working against" logic, its much easier to "work with" logic.
And after accepting this, everything goes a lot faster..
especially the piano roll ( or other windows) open short cut, depending on what region you have highlightet, speed things up..
sorry for being so "old fashioned" and "stubburn", before I found out how to work "the way" apple/logic team want me to..
Their ideas is actually quite smart..
Still would like to work with more windows, get rit of transportbar, global track, the entire BIN
And instead get som more space
btw It would be nice to be able to be able to zoom in eg the EXS sampler..
All I need it for, is to load samples..
a short cut to "mini view" ( just the name of the samples loaded) would be greatly appriciated..Running fine here, no crashes, plenty of horsepower to burn using lots of tracks, plugs, and 128 samples buffer size. Couple of the commonly reported minor bugs here and there. I like 8 much better than 7; breezier and simpler in many ways. I would agree that it required a mental adjustment initially. If your system is running as poorly as you say, your problem is not about Logic working "with" or "against," and you haven't yet experienced L8's intended functionality or design.
Rather than assume Logic is useless, you might check to see if your experience is common and therefore indicative of the software. For example, you ask why you should have to "go up to 1024 SPB, or whatever, to avoid this appalling behaviour" and the short answer is you shouldn't and most of us don't. Maybe there's a hardware or software conflict somewhere, or some components in the wrong folders, or maybe a problem with ram or a drive - these can be insidious. -
Can I use Tomahawk with Sun's JSF implementation?
I would like to know whether I can use Tomahawk-1.1.3 with Sun's JSF implementation or have to use JSF implementation from myfaces?
Thanks
ZhongIf the components are written per the specification, they should be portable, and as such should run on either implementation.
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STP v2.01 quits at start up with some 3rd plug-ins that are ok with Logic.
Installed Logic Studio exactly two weeks ago. The main focus has been on Logic Pro.
Haven't used them yet, but MainStage, and WaveBurner open without any problems.
Today is the first time I tried to open SoundTrack Pro. It quit while scanning audio units plug-ins.
Out of desparation, I created an "unused components" file and dragged all AU plugs to this folder.
STP opened ok with just the Logic plug-ins.
So I started the process of systematically adding a few AU plugs back into the components folder. All PSP and RND plugs seemed ok with STP. Beyond that, I realized that some, but not all of the various others (UAD, TC PowerCore, etc) would work. I could spend all night driving myself crazy making a list of what does and does not work with STP.
All of my audio plugins work with Logic Pro 8, DP 5.1.2, and DSP-Quattro!
Please help.
I was hoping to use STP as my audio file mastering program.Long story short.... the problem was TC Powercore plug-ins. In particular, the Assimilator.
I was able to gradually add back all AU plug-ins to the Components folder without any problems opening STP.
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