Compression for 720PN 24P footage

What is the best compression method for footage shot in 720pn 24p to preserve maximum quality? And also, another good compression for a sharable file?

What is the best compression method for footage shot in 720pn 24p to preserve maximum quality?
DVCPRO HD 720p24. There is an Easy Setup in FCP for this...if you capture from tape. And if you capture via firewire, you can only get full quality. If you import from P2, it only comes in at full quality as well. By full quality I mean ZERO loss. Firewire capture is a data transfer.
And also, another good compression for a sharable file?
H.264
Shane

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Difficult question, what are you doing with the video later in the process?
"Lossless" and "uncompressed" are two different things.
"Lossless" means that the decompressed file should be identical to the state of the file before compression. Think of how a Word document can be compressed using (lossless) ZIP and when you decompress it all the text and formatting of the Word document is intact.
On the other hand, every time you save an image as a JPEG, it gets compressed and looses quality.
"Uncompressed" means that the file shouldn't use compression at all.
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Yikes, this is going to be tricky since FCE does not support native 24p editing.
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My 24p footage looks like crap once I put it in the timeline or export! Every 4th frame looks "interlaced". I believe that is what is happening, but I'm not sure. And I definitely don't know why it's happening.
-I'm using a DVX100B with 24p setting (not 24pA) squeezed for widescreen.
-Premiere Pro CS3 Mac OS
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-Import the video using Quicktime "DV/DVCPRO" Compression with the 29.97 frames, Progressive, and 16:9 settings.
(I was able to figure out that 29.97 is the correct setting, because even though the footage is 24p, it's laid down on 29.97)
Video looks good after importing. I can play the clip and it's fine or play it outside of premiere fine. But as soon as I drop it into the timeline and play it in the preview window, I can see that every 4th frame looks interlaced. The result of this is it plays like crap on a TV because every 4th frame has a flicker effect. I've also tried exporting from the timeline and it still does this interlace/flicker effect.
Any help MUCH appreciated. Footage looks great, but I can't do anything with it until I fix this problem.
Thanks!
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Hey Roderick,
i thought 720p material was only 59.94 or 60?
anyway, i am going to star with the basic questions, as in how are you exporting from FCP and how are you setting compressor?
you are down-resing your HD footage first, correct (in FCP)?
i am surprised that FCP cannot take in 23.98 @ 35 mbps, but this sounds like mpeg2 (since you are compressing from your camera).
i usually work on uncompressed 23.98fps and depending on the tape anywhere from 100 - 440 mbps and import to FCP no problem (although i still have to render it depending on how i am compositing).
anyway, let me know what and how you are setting both FCP on export and compressor to compress.
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I am working on a clients system its a new Mac Power Book Pro running FCE 4.
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Try using MPEG Streamclip or JES Deinterlacer to convert your frame rate and progressive to interlaced.
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I recently have been using my Magnavox DVD recorder for recording VHS tapes that I made long ago for shows and various other things, and no matter what, my footage doesn't come out as it needs to be.
Here's an example of what I did recently with my own settings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV4sT7rHGs
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Encore took it, but the video plays much faster than the audio, and so much that the people are sped up. It looks funny!
I'm running, CS3 and SS5. The 24p footage with encoded at 12 iFrames and Closed GOPS. The imported audio is a wave file from the 24p project. Even after Encore transcodes the audio the problem remains.
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Not sure of the 'button'.
One thing you should check though...
How are you monitoring this? Is your audio following your video to/from the same source?
Turn on your wave form monitors for the timeline... does the click line up visually on the timeline to the clap of the slate?
If you monitor your audio off the CPU and your video externally... or your audio out FW and your video only on the cpu... you can get sync issues. Actually LATENCY issues and not really out of sync.
Are you sure it's out of sync and just not a latency issue?
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Either way, you're in for a fun time.....
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This should make things nicer for you!
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Hello,
this is my question:
does exporting a sequence to an Apple ProRes Self Contained file helps to gain quality when compressing for SD-DVD or Blu-ray (or AVCH disc)?

Thanks for answering, Tom.
Let me try again, though. (Also, just thinking about the footage, forgetting about effects, titles, etc.)
Do you think that this applies to DV-NTSC and HDV sequences?
I've compared a DV-NTSC sequence exported out using:
DV-NTSC compression and one -using Apple ProRes.
They do look different. Wouldn't you agree to this?
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Why are you guys going through all of this trouble?
Premiere works fine with 24p footage if you shoot it that way. I use it all the time. XH-A1 has both 24p and 24pn.
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Sorry...I didnt realize you left out the camera you were using. If it's ont that doesnt have both modes you will need another software to remove the pulldown.

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Hello,
I shot footage in DVCPRO HD codec with the HVX200 camera using the 24pN (native) recording format.
I edit everything in FCP 5 and when exporting to Compressor using the output DVD 90min best quality 16:9 everything is still OK. The video file (when opened in QT) shows that it's a 23.97 fps file as it should be.
BUT after importing it as asset in DVD Studio Pro 4, it shows as 29.97!! WHY? The video is smooth though, but why does it not show as 24p footage?
PS: everything is in NTSC (camera, FCP, DVD Studio Pro)
Thanks for any quick help,
JERRY.

Do not know if you have DVD Demystified, but page 9-34 says what you are saying. (Wanted to double check to make sure I said it right and I was starting to get a bit lost here also. Too late at night LOL )
DVD-Video supports 525/60 (NTSC 29.97 interlaced fps) and 625/50 (PAL/SECAM 25 interlaced fps) In the case of 24 fps the MPEG Encoder adds repeat first field flags to perform 2-3 pulldown fo 60 displays, for PAL a 4% increase in speed.
Also this thread from awhile back
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3944958

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