Confused with Mainstage! Basic stuff

Hi there, I have recently bought Logic 9 and love the look of Mainstage 2 however when I'm setting up my set I run into some really confusing problems I hope you can help me with.
I add a set and name it the title of the song we're playing, I then add two patches each with 2 midi instruments inside. Each of the patches should have 2 different midi instruments in. However once I have added them all it only ever shows the last 2 I have added. Am I adding them correct or have I got this completely the wrong way round?
I have gone through the manual and the more I read the more confused I become.
What I'm trying to achieve is to have numerous songs, each with their relevant sections inside as patches. Some sections have 2 midi instruments, some have 1. There will be around 10 songs once completed.

It sounds like you are adding them correctly. If you have a Patch selected, it will only show you the strips that you added to that Patch. If you want strips to be available to multiple patches, you'd add them at the Set level by selecting the Set and adding the strip. I recommend adding strips at the Set level if they're common across the Patches inside that strip, because it will only load the resources for that strip once which will save resources and improve performance.
I think you're doing the right thing (Set for each song, Patch for each section of the song). The thing to remember is that channel strips get added to Set or Patch you currently have selected, and those strips are only available to the thing you have selected or its parents.

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