Connecting AX (802.11n) and AX (802.11g) to create WDS

Hello I'm currently trying to connect my new Airport Extreme (802.11n) to my old Airport (802.11g)
in the aim of extending my network. So I would like to have the 11n as my main.
and 11g as a remote I think?
can anybody give me a step by step on how I would go about this on Airport Utility?
I think my main problem is that my old Airport is connected to a different network.
Kyle

You would need to configure the 802.11n AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) to operate in an 802.11g compatible mode. You would need to configure one AEBS to operate as a WDS main. You would need to configure the other AEBS to operate as a WDS remote (or relay). An Unfortunate side effect of WDS is that each link cuts your available wireless bandwidth in half. Therefore the maximum wireless bandwidth achievable is 1/2 the 802.11g rate.

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I have a Airport Extreme 802.11n and my T.V. is a panisonic,I keep losing the connection. Anybody have any answers?

I have a Airport Extreme 802.11n and my T.V. is a panisonic,I keep losing the connection. Anybody have any answers?

Plenty of suggestions.. only you can find out which one is correct.
What model AE? What firmware?
Since Panasonic TV is not apple it will use SMB windows type networking.. everything but Apple does.
Are the names in the AE all SMB compatible.. ie short.. max about 20 characters.. no spaces and pure alphanumeric.
Is the security set to WPA2 Personal with a pure alphanumeric password of 10-20 characters.. more is fine if you suffer paranoia but isn't needed.
Fix the wireless channels.. so it doesn't flip flop like a dying fish.
There are only 3 channels for 2.4ghz that do not overlap, 11, 6, 1 although someone suggested 8 works well if you have heaps of interference. If you live in flat/apartment building you have heaps of interference.
Lastly is it stable if the distance is 3M direct line of sight?
If not then get a high power wireless AP and use that instead.

Airport Express 802.11n and high speeds *impossible*

Hi there,
well I have been playing around for the last 24-48hrs with an AirportExpress 802.11n wiht the latest firmware on it, to achieve high speed wifi ~300mbps as 802.11n allows. The following hardware was used during this tests:
Airport Express Model: A1264 Firmware: 7.4.2
1) Macbook Pro AirPort Extreme (0x14E4, 0x88)|Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.26)
and an
2) 24" iMac - AirPort Extreme (0x14E4, 0x8E)|Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.26)
Goal: Achieve to establish a high speed wireless-n infrastructure network.
Comparing to: Ad Hoc Network Wireless-N iMac to Macbook Pro
Basic Ad Hoc Network Setup:
Macbook Pro:
PHY Mode: 802.11n
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: none
RSSI: -54
Transmit Rate: 130
MCS Index: 15
iMac 9.1:
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: none
RSSI: -48
Transmit Rate: 1117
MCS Index: 14
Testing: copy 1GB file via Finder Desktop to Desktop
Reault: achieved an avarage transfer-rate: 9.7MB/s
Infrastructure Tests:
1st Setup: identical setup with airport express
Configuration: Airport Express
Radio Mode: 802.11n only (2.4 Ghz)
Channel: 11
Security: none
Macbook Pro:
PHY Mode: 802.11n
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: none
RSSI: -36
Transmit Rate: 130
MCS Index: 15
iMac 9.1:
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: none
RSSI: -38
Transmit Rate: 130
MCS Index: 15
Testing: copy 1GB file via Finder Desktop to Desktop
Reault: achieved an avarage transfer-rate: 3.2MB/s
2nd Setup: airport express
Configuration: Airport Express
Radio Mode: 802.11n only (2.4 Ghz)
Channel: 11
Security: WPA2
Macbook Pro:
PHY Mode: 802.11n
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -34
Transmit Rate: 130
MCS Index: 15
iMac 9.1:
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -37
Transmit Rate: 145
MCS Index: 15
Testing: copy 1GB file via Finder Desktop to Desktop
Reault: achieved an avarage transfer-rate: 3.0MB/s
3rd Setup: airport express
Configuration: Airport Express
Radio Mode: 802.11n (802.11b/g compatible)
Channel: 11
Security: WPA2
Macbook Pro:
PHY Mode: 802.11n
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -33
Transmit Rate: 130
MCS Index: 15
iMac 9.1:
Channel: 11 (2.4Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -39
Transmit Rate: 145
MCS Index: 15
Testing: copy 1GB file via Finder Desktop to Desktop
Reault: achieved an avarage transfer-rate: 2.9MB/s
4th Setup: airport express
Configuration: Airport Express
Radio Mode: 802.11n (802.11a compatible)
Channel: Automatic
Security: WPA2
Macbook Pro:
PHY Mode: 802.11n
Channel: 36 (5Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -48
Transmit Rate: 270
MCS Index: 15
iMac 9.1:
Channel: 36 (5Ghz)
Security: WPA2 Personal
RSSI: -46
Transmit Rate: 300
MCS Index: 15
Testing: copy 1GB file via Finder Desktop to Desktop
Reault: achieved an avarage transfer-rate: 5.5MB/s
Enabling/ disabling wide channels doesnt change the avarage transfer rate significantly.
These are just a few examples of all tests I have done, I have tried every possible configuration and took screen shots of almost 80% of the test (if someone is interested in reviewing this).
I couldnt find a single configuration in infrastructure mode that is as fast as the ad-hoc connection, so I assume either apple's setup for ad hoc and using channels is different to infrastructure or the airport express simply is unable to perform the same way as the wifi cards being used inside my Macs (which is my conclusion unless someone proves me wrong).
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Keep in mind, my findings show a 100% faster network in Ad hoc mode on a 2.4 Ghz connection
This is quite unsatisfying as I have bought the airport express on Feb 9th 2010 and it was the latest available model according to local genius bar.
So to quote apple: "The AirPort Express Base Station is based on an IEEE 802.11n draft specification and is compatible with IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11b, and IEEE 802.11g." yes it might be compatible but doesnt allow you to fully operate at those specifications or has anyone been able to achieve this somehow?

why didnt I find this any earlier ...
http://www.applesource.com.au/mac-accessories/soa/Apple-AirPort-Express-Base-Sta tion-802-11n-/0,2000451112,339287629,00.htm

Airport (802.11n) and WDS

Hi,
Does someone can tell me what "speed" will I get with two Airport 802.11N with WDS setup ?
I alreday know that a WDS with an Airport 802.11N and an Airport Express or Extreme won't get better than the slowless one : 802.11g.
Thanks
HDR

You'll get 54mbit between the two airport extremes...
Technically yes but the bandwidth available to any client is really only 27 Mbps since all data must make 2 hops and no other data can be transmitted during either hop. Other data can not be transmitted because both base stations are using the same channel.
So if the client requested 54 Mb, it would take one second to go from AEBS_1 to AEBS_2 and then another second to go from AEBS_2 to client. Therefore the total bandwidth is:
(54 Mb)/(2 sec) = 27 Mbps
Don't know where you got 104 Mbps but if the clients were able to use that speed to connect to AEBS_2, the data would take .519 seconds on the second hop. The overall bandwidth would then be:
(54 Mb)/(1.519 sec) = 35.5 Mbps
Regardless of how you slice it, WDS makes a drastic cut on your available bandwidth.

802.11n and Airport Express iTunes Base station Help me ?

I'll try to keep this simple :
In my Office I have a 24" iMac Intel and the
802.11n resides also in my Office
About 40ft away is my Den which resides:
My MacBook Pro 17" Intel and a Airport Express iTunes
Base Station
Going Back to the 802.11n I have a 2.0 USB AC Powered
Hub connected to the USB port on the back of the 802.11n
of which  said is OK to do
Connected to the USB on the back of the 802.11n:
is a Epson R200 USB InkJet Printer and also on that
Hub is a Lacie Porche 500gb External USB Hard Drive
Again  says is Ok to do
The problem I'm having is that the Cable Modem is
in my Office and is connected via Ethernet to the 802.11n
and I can get a strong connection to the internet
on my iMac 24" Intel in my Office but the MBP 17"
in my Den is having issues getting onto the Internet
now about a week ago I spent 8hrs on the phone W/Apple
about such issues so we erased all the information in
the Disk Utility and started over with the information
in the 802.11n and the iTunes Base Station Express
this has helped until the recent FirmWare Update that
Apple Released a few days ago,
I've tried to actual bring my MBP 17" into the Office
and it gets a better Internet signal than in the Den,
but this wasn't the way it was before the FirmWare Update
Any Suggestions on what I can do to fix this situation
As all worked well with the Express iTunes in the Den
and the 802.11n in the Office and the Cable Modem has
always been in the Office ?
P.S> One problem I forgot to mention is I keep dropping
The Macbook Pro 17" and a Lacie 400gb Hard Drive which is
connected directly to the MBP 17" USB Port which keeps
dropping from my iMac 24" networking it will be working
fine and then I get a message stating that either or both
the MBP 17" and the Lacie Disk (400gb) is Disconnecting
from iMac 24" and then the same will happen on the
MBP 17" with the iMac 24" and any connected drives I'm
sharing from the iMac 24" ?
I'm having a connection problem and I can't get to the
bottom of it and I need some help please
Feel free to email me [email protected]

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AirPort Extreme (802.11n) and Airport Express

I wonder...
I do relase reading other posts that connecting my Airport Express as a client, joining my 802.11n (and 54g compatible network) will slow the whole network down.
But I can't do without the airport express, and I don't want to slow down my WAN 100 MBit internet connection either.
Is there a way to split the networks WITHOUT having to switch to the Airport Express-network when I want to play to the Express in iTunes? Has anyone tried some working configs of how to combine these two in a good way?

Saw a recent post just now...I guess the only solution would be to connect the Express by wire to the Extreme!

Severe interference between Airport Extreme (802.11n) and my Cable Modem

This post is in reference to http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=897496&tstart=30
The root cause of the problem reported in the above post was determined to be a case of severe electrical interference between the 802.11n device and a Motorola Cable modem supplied by Comcast. I can provide the modem model number for anyone wanting it.
I found that at least 12" spacing is required between the 802.11n and the modem to avoid any significant interference.
I also found that if these two devices are physically adjacent the data rate performance thru the modem can reduce to almost zero.
I speculate that the 802.11n is radiating so much radio energy that it causes electrical interference with the modem's function.
N.B. The Airport Snow does not exhibit this same electrical interference.

I would connect the xbox 360 to the Airport Extreme with an ethernet cable and from the Airport Extreme back to my router would be wirelessly.
If you intent to connect the 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) wirelessly to the router, this router would have to be another AirPort or one of a very few non-AirPort products that will work in a Wireless Distribution System (WDS).
Would this cause any latency problems?
Most likely, but that will depend on the two routers used in the WDS. If both are AEBSns, then the throughput performance would be competitive with at least 10baseT or 100baseT Ethernet. If not, then using an Ethernet cable may be the better option.

I have a Airport Extreme 802.11n and I can't find the disc to install it... how can I install without the disc?

I have a Airport Extreme - 802.11n and I'm trying to install it -- but I don't have the disc. Any help would be so appreciated.

You don't need the disk, you can download and install the application that you need.
If you are using Windows 7, the link for the software is just below. Otherwise, post back to let us know what operating system your computer is using.
AirPort Utility 5.6.1 for Windows - Apple

Airport Extreme 802.11n and WDS with 802.11g express

I have an 802.11n Airport Extreme that I have been using with my AppleTV. I have it set to allow for 802.11b/g, since I have an old Powerbook Titanium that cannot be upgraded.
I recently decided to add my Airport Express 802.11g to the mix to act as a bridge for a remote, wired computer. I did this by enabling WDS on the Extreme/Express.
My question is this: by enabling WDS on the extreme, will the AppleTV still be able to connect at 802.11n speeds, or does it get pulled back to 11g? Is there any way to verify/check this on either the Extreme or the AppleTV?
Thanks,
keith

You can check the connection speed of each wireless client attached to a base station using Airport Utility. Launch Airport Utility, click on the Airport button in the toolbar. On the Summary tab you'll see an item called Wireless clients. It shows you how many wireless client devices are connected to that base station.
Click on the words Wireless Clients and you'll get a graph and a list. The graph shows the signal strength of each client. The list shows the client's wireless MAC, the signal and noise levels and the rate at which each device is communicating. On my Extreme-n base stations, I regularly see rates from 1 to 130 and everything inbetween. It looks like each device runs at it's best rate based on signal strength and error rate.
Assuming you know the MAC of your Apple TV (it's on the serial number label) you can see what wireless data rate it's getting this way.
The thing I've noticed is that my Extreme-g base stations seem to connect to clients at higher average rates than my Extreme-n units. In other words, on the g units I'll see more clients at 54 (the max) or 48 and on the n units just a couple will connect at 130 or 54 but most are at lower rates like 27 or 11 (even 2 or 1), even when they are in the same room as the base station.
I find that very odd and would like to understand it. Anybody have any ideas?

Airport Express 802.11n and 802.11g clients?

Hi,
I hope this is the right place to ask this question.
Setup:
1. At this time I have a main AE 802.11g base for wireless surfing.
2. I have a second AE 802.11g connected to the hi-fi system. This second AE station is connceted as a client into the wireless network of the main AE base.
Question: could I keep this setup after replacing 1. with an AE 802.11n base (and keep the AE 802.11g client for streaming)?
Thanks you,
Andre

I would still have one more question.
Are theses assumptions correct?
1. If the AE 802.11g client is switched off, the network will work at full speed (802.11n)
2. Turning on the AE 802.11g client would slow down the network at 802.11g level
3. switching the AE 802.11g client off again would lead to a recovery to full speed 802.11n
I am asking this because I do the music streaming only occasionally, must of the time I am using my MBP for work,
Thank you,
Andre

After setting up my brand new Airport Express 802.11n and accidentally using it to connect my iMac to the network...my iMac no longer connects through Ethernet? Any ideas...I have tried everything without success!!

I have been using Apple technology for about 10 years starting with 1st generation iPods and our house now includes a 5 year old iMac, all versions of iPods and touches, Apple TVs (both generations) and most recently an iPad 2. I have always told family and friends that Apple technology just works. Unfortunately that stopped today. I bought a new Airport Express 802.11n to use for AirTunes around my new pool. I set it up from my iMac and accidentally used it to connect my iMac to the network for a short time. Now I can no longer connect the iMac to the network using a hard wired Ethernet cable. I have tried resetting everything possible, from hubs to routers to the Mac itself and it just will not connect to the network through Ethernet any longer. I am now a very frustrated Apple user especially when the support site says I can't use the fast path support because my product was manufactured 5 years ago...I just bought it at BestBuy yesterday. All other computers and itechnology in the house are connecting via wifi and Ethernet without any issue except from my new iMac boat anchor. Anybody who can help me??? Thanks

John, thanks for the email so quickly.
I too hope I haven't tried "everything" either but I am reasonably technical. I had done what you suggested to do before but I did both again.
Ethernet is yellow in the left side bar. In the right pane it's status says Connected but then below it says "Ethernet has a self-assigned IP address and will not be able to connect to the Internet."
I have tried the assist me menu and Network Status has Ethernet Green, Network settings Yellow, ISP Green, and Internet and Server Red and Failed for both. I have turned things off and on, checked cables, deleted all locations and tried restting them up but to no avail. I even disconnected everything and connected the mac directly into the cable modem itself and the thing still will not connect.
Thoughts???

Airport Extreme 802.11n and AirPort Express 802.11g on same network. Speed?

I am migrating all our Macs to 802.11n. I will have a new Extreme 802.11n base station, and all Macs will be newer models with 802.11n. However, I have an older Airport Express 802.11g that we use for the shared printer.
I have read that the ENTIRE network will run at the speed of the slowest device. Is this true? I know that the printer can only communicate at g, but will I also see the macs having to slow down to g? If so, I will upgrade to a new Express.

I have read that the ENTIRE network will run at the speed of the slowest device
That's not exactly true, but it will certainly degrade the network. A new Express (N) is your best solution to maximize the speed of your network.

Itunes using Airport Express 802.11n and Remote app no longer staying connected

I'm running Windows 7. I find that my Remote app either keeps dropping Home Sharing (unless I toggle Home Sharing off/on in Itunes) or if it finds my library it cannot open it through the app. I can play music through my Airport, but it's the remote app that can't seem to connect with my iTunes. I should add that the remote app has the same breakdown on both my iphone 6 and ipad mini 2. So it's not the app, but some problem along the line (Airport express? router? Itunes?) Any suggestions?

OK, thanks for the info.
You'll need to jot down a setting that the AirPort Extreme (AEBS) is using in order to give the AirPort Express (AX).
Open AirPort Utility, select your AEBS and click Manual Setup
Click the Wireless tab below the row of icons
Jot down the setting that you see for Wireless Security
Close AirPort Utility
Hold in the reset button on the AirPort Express until you see the amber light begin to blink more quickly and then release.
Temporarily, position the AX near your AirPort Extreme and connect an ethernet cable from your computer to the AirPort Express
Open AirPort Utility, select the AX and click Manual Setup
Click the Base Station tab below the icons to name your device, establish a device password (write this down) and adjust time settings
Click the Wireless tab
Wireless Mode = Join a wireless network
Wireless Network Name = Exact same name as your AirPort Extreme wireless network
Enter a check mark next to Enable Ethernet clients
Wireless Security = Exact same setting as your AEBS that you wrote down
Wireless Password = Same password that your AEBS network is using
Confirm Password
Click Update at the lower right and the AX will restart. You can close AirPort Utility and disconnect the ethernet cable once you see the message that the settings have been saved to the AX.
After 30-45 seconds, you should have a green light on the AX. Now you can move the AX where it is needed and power it back up again. The ethernet port on the AX is enabled in this type of configuration, so you should be able to connect an ethernet device and connect. You may need to restart the device and/or the entire network to get everything synchronized.

Connecting an 802.11n Express to an older WEP-enabled WDS network

I have a domed 802.11g Extreme base station connected to an older (802.11g) Express in a 128-bit WEP enabled WDS network - works great.
I recently purchased a new 802.11n Express and would like to add it as another remote in my WDS. The new Airport Setup Utility will not allow me to set up the new Express as a remote in a WDS network with 128-bit WEP. The closest I can get is WEP Transitional Security Network. When setting it up this way, it demanded a 13-character password -- which I dutifully supplied AFTER changing the password on my domed Extreme to the same thing. After all this effort - the new Express won't get past the blinking yellow light thus requiring me to reset it using the manual reset button.
I can get this same unit to "join" my existing network just fine. In that case, it accepts 128-bit WEP without a whimper.
Is there a basic compatibility problem here? Can I get the new unit to connect to the old 128-bit WEP network by using Transitional Security Network? Do I need to update the whole network to WPA? Or is there some other issue here that has nothing to do with the security issue?
Thanks for any help.

Hello Tim Hopmann. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
You should be able to access the "earlier" WEP modes by first changing the radio mode on the 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn) to one of the non-"n" modes. To do so, just be sure to hold down the <Option> key before making the radio mode selection in the AirPort Utility. Once you choose one of these non-"n" modes, the WEP 40 & 128-bit options become available.

Airport extreme (802.11n) and airport exress

Hi, I was hoping someone may be able to provide some advice. I am considering upgrading to the AE (802.11n). However, I am fairly certain that I will need to have a second point somewhere in my home to boost the signal. I have an airport express for airtunes purposes and have read that connecting 802.11g to an 802.11n slows down the network, but does anyone have any specifics? Also any idea of distance capabilities for the new AE? I have three floors I need to provide signal to in my home, currently I have it set up with D-link router and a repeater in a dead area.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Hello Kevin Gamarello. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
I have an airport express for airtunes purposes and have read that connecting 802.11g to an 802.11n slows down the network, but does anyone have any specifics?
Adding "g" devices to a "n" network will reduce the performance slightly, but not all the way down to "g."
Also any idea of distance capabilities for the new AE?
The new 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) has an advertised range of "up to twice the range of networks created with the earlier 802.11g standard." However "actual performance will vary based on range, connection rate, site conditions, size of network, and other factors. Range will vary with site conditions." In comparison, the earlier 802.11g version had a range of 50' for 802.11g & 150' for 802.11b.

Connecting AX (802.11n) and AX (802.11g) to create WDS

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