Connecting an 802.11n Express to an older WEP-enabled WDS network

I have a domed 802.11g Extreme base station connected to an older (802.11g) Express in a 128-bit WEP enabled WDS network - works great.
I recently purchased a new 802.11n Express and would like to add it as another remote in my WDS. The new Airport Setup Utility will not allow me to set up the new Express as a remote in a WDS network with 128-bit WEP. The closest I can get is WEP Transitional Security Network. When setting it up this way, it demanded a 13-character password -- which I dutifully supplied AFTER changing the password on my domed Extreme to the same thing. After all this effort - the new Express won't get past the blinking yellow light thus requiring me to reset it using the manual reset button.
I can get this same unit to "join" my existing network just fine. In that case, it accepts 128-bit WEP without a whimper.
Is there a basic compatibility problem here? Can I get the new unit to connect to the old 128-bit WEP network by using Transitional Security Network? Do I need to update the whole network to WPA? Or is there some other issue here that has nothing to do with the security issue?
Thanks for any help.

Hello Tim Hopmann. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
You should be able to access the "earlier" WEP modes by first changing the radio mode on the 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn) to one of the non-"n" modes. To do so, just be sure to hold down the <Option> key before making the radio mode selection in the AirPort Utility. Once you choose one of these non-"n" modes, the WEP 40 & 128-bit options become available.

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