Connecting SBC dsl to ethernet hub?

G4 I've just upgraded to high speed DSL from SBC and have a new 2 wire 1701HG gateway modem, which I want to use to connect my old G4 desk top by wire and use my powerbook G4 by the wireless capability of the modem. The problem is that I've always connected my computer and modem to a Macnally ethernet hub and I'm told by SBC that I have to connect the ethernet cable directly to the G4. However if I do this I won't be able to use my old hp printer that can only be used via the connection through the ethernet hub. (The old G4 has one ethernet port). SBC isn't helpful at all with any other configuration. Any suggestions?
G4

Frank thanks for the link to the 2 Wire site and for the diagram. I must admit to knowing little about this equipment. For five years I've used dsl from SBC with a different modem and connected the ethernet cord from the modem to the an ethernet hub and it worked fine. According to SBC I can't do that now but I haven't tired. Yesterday, while on the phone to the SBC technical support I followed their directions and wasn't able to connect the DSL line even connecting everything directly to the computer. Maybe the line wasn't ready. I will try again tomorrow. According to your diagram I would need a router to go through before the hub. Hopefully tomorrow will bring a new supply of patience and I'll find the way that works... Regards
G4

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I just got DSL (yeah, probably the last guy on the planet who still had dialup). Anyway, I've been using ethernet to connect my old G3 to my iMac, and had to unplug it to hookup the DSL. I have a five-port ethernet hub that I used for a short time years ago to network my G3 to an even older mac. Can I use this to connect the G3, iMac and DSL? I don't really remember anything about how to use the hub. Can someone give me a little guidance please?

RayDunakin wrote:
I just got DSL (yeah, probably the last guy on the planet who still had dialup). Anyway, I've been using ethernet to connect my old G3 to my iMac, and had to unplug it to hookup the DSL. I have a five-port ethernet hub that I used for a short time years ago to network my G3 to an even older mac. Can I use this to connect the G3, iMac and DSL? I don't really remember anything about how to use the hub. Can someone give me a little guidance please?
You can't use a hub. A hub is an unintelligent system; it repeats all signals it gets down all its ports. This means that if you are connected to the Internet on one port, it will repeat everything on your local network out over the Internet. I'm fairly sure you don't want that.
In addition, a hub does not do NAT, DHCP, or DNS. Basically, it does not assign IP addresses. If you attach devices to a hub, then either they must have fixed IP addresses of their own or something else must assign IPs to them. If you assign your machines fixed IPs in a private network range, because the hub is not a router and does not do NAT (Network Address Translation) and because private networks are just that, private, your machines will not be able to connect to the Internet... but because this is a hub, anything on your network will still go out over the Internet anyway. You won't be able to see the Internet, but anyone on the Internet who wants to and knows how will be able to see you. If you assign your machines fixed IPs in a network range which is not a private network, your network will be visible over the Internet and you will be able to connect... except that you'll be using a visible network range, which probably belongs to someone else, who will object, and when your ISP finds out (which they will in a very short time when the owner of the network range you're using complains to them) you may find that you no longer have an account. Hijacking someone else's network range is a ToS offense for most services. If you don't assign fixed IPs, and rely on DHCP to assign IPs, you will have multiple IPs on your network, all of which are visible over the Internet with no protection whatsoever... and, more important, you're only paying for one IP. Your ISP will be upset. Liberating multiple IPs without paying for them is also a ToS offense.
Connecting via a hub is a very bad idea.
You should get a router. Most home routers have a switch, not a hub, built into them. A router sits between two networks, one your local network, and one the Internet. The router has two IP addresses, one on the Internet (which you're paying your ISP for) and one on your local network (which the ISP doesn't care about). Most home routers can be set to run DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) on the internal network, and set up a network using one of the private ranges. As they are private, they are not routed over the Internet, and whatever you do on the private net stays on the private net, unless you specifically request an Internet connection by running a web browser or an email client or something else that goes out over the Internet. The router will then do NAT for you and send the signal over the Internet, and when it gets a reply, will route it back to your machine. Because the router includes a switch, it will send the reply directly to the machine in question, because a switch is an intelligent device and keeps a list of the machines on the local network and sends the proper signals to the proper machines. (Note that a wireless system is a hub, it broadcasts the signals to everyone in range; there's a reason why I use a wired connection for my systems...) The Internet only sees one IP, that of the router. You can have multiple machines behind the router and neither your ISP nor the rest of the Internet will care.
I have my system set up in the following way:
1 DSL modem talking to the Internet (set in bridge mode, so it's effectively transparent)
2 router talking to the DSL modem (set in NAT and DHCP modes; it controls the network)
3 multiple devices, including an external switch, connected to the router. All are configured to use a private Class C network. I could have up to 254 devices on a Class C network, though that many would probably kill my router which simply isn't built to handle that kind of traffic. My devices include several Macs, several Windows machines, my server, and several printers. You appear to have two or three devices. Your system would work just fine with a standard home router.

Connecting to DSL via Ethernet Modem

I have been trying to connect to DSL Internet using Speed Touch Ethernet Modem. I have reached the point where my Network Preference shows that I am connected via Ethernet with green light showing. However I am unable to connect to the web and the DSL light on the modem will not come on. My ISP has limited knowledge of Macs and are not very helpful. Grateful for any assistance.

Trevor,
This type of thing is what sorts the good ISPs from the not so good. It should be their task to determine what is wrong with the line - ie. they are the ones that should keep going back to the telco and asking for more in depth tests. (There are a number of different reasons why a line may not be suitable for DSL)
I do reiterate however that you need to be certain that nothing in your house is causing a problem. So try unplugging every other device (telephone, fax, computer, filter, burglar alarm, cable receiver) that may possibly be connected to your phone line and plug the modem directly into the phone socket closest to where the connection from the street enters the house and see what status you get.
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Can I print on non-USB printers connected to Ethernet hub?

I just connected an Airport Extreme base station to my DSL modem and pre-existing ethernet hub. (The old hub connects my old G4 running OS 9.2 to an HP 5MP laser printer and a Canon Pixma IP 4000.) Then I booted my brand new MacBook 13 and established Internet connectvity through the base station. My question is, should I expect the Airport Extreme base station to also recognize the existence of the two printer attached to my old ethernet hub? Or does the Mac Book have access only to printers that are wired to the base station?
Any advice appreciated.
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Airport Extreme has a WAN port (should be connected to DSL), and a LAN port - that's where you should connect the hub. Then your network will be mostly like it was before and the printers will be recognized.

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Thank you so much for your help. I tried those settings but the connection didn't work. However, it is working by leaving some of the default settings. See the underlined settings below.
That leaves me with other questions:
1) But what are the conquences of those settings?
2) How do I determine if I have a secure network? (other than the computer, don't have any other wireless devices to check though we are planning to purchase one in the future). When I check on the windows network
center, everything is "off" except password protected sharing. I was hoping to see a security-enabled network identification for this new network somewhere.
2b) I set up wireless security WPA/WPA2 Personal but not a guest network (yet).
3) A problem (amber light) was discovered because:
Allow Setup over WAN was checked. For now, I ignored the warning for now but think I need to change it.
4) under the AirPort Utility/Summary page, what should the IP address be? It is completely different than the IP address for the DSL modem.
5) The reason I didn't set up a guest network yet was when I originally tried to set it when when "Connection Sharing" was set to Off (Bridge Mode) - as suggested - I received a warning that Guest network requires that this AP Express needs to be set to share a public IP address uding NAT/DHCP.
Sorry for the very basic questions. This obviously is my first attempt at setting up a wireless router.
And thanks for any help.
To set up the AXn as a "bridge," using the AirPort Utility, either connect to the AXn's wireless network or temporarily connect your computer directly (using an Ethernet cable) to the Ethernet port of the AXn, and then, try these settings:
AirPort Utility > Select the AXn > Manual Setup > AirPort > Wireless tab
Wireless Mode: Create a wireless network
Network Name: <enter the desired Network Name or SSID>
Radio Mode: 802.11n (802.11b/g compatible) Set to automatic instead (and finding 80211a)
Channel: Automatic
Internet > Internet Connection
Connect Using: Ethernet
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Ethernet WAN Port: Automatic (Default)
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My old airport just died and I just began reviewing the capabilities of the airport express. Would it be possible to access a cable modem if I hardwire it into my ethernet network and plug another CAT 5 cable into the airport - giving me wireless access to the rest of the computers and printers on my network.

You cannot directly connect your cable modem to a spare port on your existing ethernet network. Not only will this not allow you to share your internet connection, but it will also significantly complicate file and printer sharing AND it will remove the all-important firewall protection that should be in place between your LAN and the internet.
Therefore, if you want to share a cable modem connection with both wireless and non-wireless computers on a LAN, the Airport Express is not the right product for you. You need to buy either an Airport Extreme Base Station, or a non-Apple wireless router (all of which are designed to also allow a connection to a cabled ethernet LAN).

Linksys WRT54 G V1.1 - Problems with SBC DSL after firmware update

I have a Linksys WRT54G version 1.1. I also have AT&T SBC Yahoo! DSL with the SpeedStream 5100 DSL modem.
It previously had the original firmware, as I never updated it. Last night I updated the firmware. It was successful. However ever since I have not been able to successfully connect to my SBC DSL.
I set it to PPPOE and used my SBC username and password to connect but it would not connect. Router name, domain name, host name and the new field called "service name" were all left blank previously....so I do not think anything changed there. I talked to the SBC technical support and the lady had no information to give me regarding any of those fields because the router was 3rd party....she gave me the Linksys number but how are they supposed to know any of SBC's specific information? Anyway I figured I mind as well post here instead of waiting in line for an on-line Linksys technical advisor.
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Additionally, after a firmware upgrade, you must reset the router to factory defaults, then setup the router again from scratch. If you saved a router configuration file, DO NOT use it.
So, to fix your system, do the following:
First, reset the router to factory defaults.
To reset your router to factory defaults, use the following procedure:
1) Power down all computers, the router, and the modem, and unplug them from the wall.
2) Disconnect all wires from the router.
3) Power up the router and allow it to fully boot (1-2 minutes).
4) Press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds, then release it, then let the router reset and reboot (2-3 minutes).
5) Power down the router.
6) Connect one computer by wire to port 1 on the router (NOT to the internet port).
7) Power up the router and allow it to fully boot (1-2 minutes).
8) Power up the computer (if the computer has a wireless card, make sure it is off).
9) Try to ping the router. To do this, click the "Start" button > All Programs > Accessories > Command Prompt. A black DOS box will appear. Enter the following: "ping 192.168.1.1" (no quotes), and hit the Enter key. You will see 3 or 4 lines that start either with "Reply from ... " or "Request timed out." If you see "Reply from ...", your computer has found your router.
10) Open your browser and point it to 192.168.1.1. This will take you to your router's login page. Leave the user name blank, and in the password field, enter "admin" (with no quotes). This will take you to your router setup page. Note the version number of your firmware (usually listed near upper right corner of screen). Exit your browser.
If you get this far without problems, then power down your network, then wire the ethernet port on the 5100 to the Internet port on the WRT54G. Leave one computer wired to a LAN port on the WRT54G. Power up your network. It should work.
If you cannot get "Reply from ..." in step 9 above, your router might be dead. Report back with this problem.
If you get a reply in step 9, but cannot complete step 10, then either your router is dead or the firmware is corrupt. In this case, report back with this problem.
If you need additional help, your router's firmware version, and the results of steps 9 and 10. Also, if you get any error messages, copy them exactly and report back.
Please let me know how things turn out for you.
Message Edited by toomanydonuts on 02-18-2009 02:49 AM

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My cable modem has one jack only for the ethernet cable that hooks into my AEBS, which hooks into my G3. With an Airport Express (to boost the signal), my G5 is connected wirelessly. Here's my question:
My son just bought an XBox, which is not wireless (you can buy a stands alone wireless unit from Microsoft for $100). The XBox connects to the internet via an ethernet cable, which we plug into the cable modem, but the only way to give him access to the internet is to disconnect my G3 and G5. Can we remedy this problem by getting something like an ethernet hub? Does such a thing exist (I've heard of USB hubs)? Would that allow us all to be connected to the internet at the same time?

Yes, this, too, would work except, as you cogently suggest, it does indeed tie the xbox to the g5 which is not a viable solution.
I like cheap solutions, too, expecially after already shelling out all that money for an AEBS!
Thanks for your recommendation for an ethernet hub. Sounds like a possible solution.
The cable modem and AEBS is in his room (my g3 went to him and it isn't wireless), so an ethernet hub would be cheaper than the wireless unit from Microsoft.
On installation: Would I hook it up to the cable modem and then plug in AEBS, xbox, etc. to it?
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