Copying /Library/Server/Mail between servers?

Howdy All,
I have upgraded a Snow Leopard Server to Mavericks Server including the Mail service. Let's call this MSU. I have a freshly installed and configured Maverics Server with Mail service not running (it was started once). Let's call th is MSN (n for new).
Can I copy the /Library/Server/Mail directory and contents from MSU to MSN (after removing the Mail directory that's there)? I am trying to do this on the command line now "sudo cp -rfp ...".
But the copy is saying that a number of sockets ini ./Mail/Data/spool cannot be copied. I understand what sockets are (I think) and undersand why they can't be copied.
However, my question is will this cause a problem? Will these sockets be automatically regenerated when the Mail service is restarted?
Again I've removed the Mail directory on MSN (really just zipped it and moved it to another location) and the Mail service is off. I am copying over the Mail directory from MSU, which is not currently running (i.e. the machine is booted from MSN not MSU).
The users and groups on both machines are different but the primary ones, the ones I care about going forward, are the same (hopefully).
Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Ashley.

Many thanks for your reply UpTimeJeff.
UptimeJeff wrote:
Don't use the Finder.
I am using the command line. Both drives are attached to the same machine so I just used "sudo cp -rfp ..."
the mailstore copies easily from 10.6 to 10.9
Ok, thanks for that.
As I mentioned, I upgraded the old Snow Leopard Server, which I thought may have made some changes to the Mail service, so I could just copy the Mail service to the fresh install of Mavericks Server.
Strange thing is my cp seems to have got stuck. No cpu activity for cp process but the shell indicates the command is still running. It's been over 12 hours and we didn't have that much mail.
Cheers,
Ashley.

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If trying to relay through the appliance, make sure the IP address of your exchange server is added to the RELAYLIST under the HAT (host access table) located under Mail Policies Tab - Host Access Table. Click on the RELAYLIST and add the IP - submit and commit changes.
If you are just trying to email the appliance, you may be getting dropped at the handshake level based on reputation (or lack thereoff).
From your exchange boxes, open up a command prompt and telnet to the ironport on port 25 and initiate a command line email.
So:
telnet IP-OF-IRONPORT 25 (hit enter, you should connect up and see the IronPort banner)
helo (type helo - from here you'll probably get dropped by the IronPort)
mail from: [email protected] (if you dont get dropped put in your email address)
rcpt to: [email protected] (put in the other email address)
data (type data and hit enter)
This is a test. (type anything, this is the message body)
. (when done typing, type a single . (period) and hit enter. The email should send if you got that far.
You most likely need to add the IP addresses of your exchagne boxes to the WHITELIST under the HAT to resolve any reputation issues from your test exchange boxes.
Regards,
Chris

Mac Mail won't remove copy from server

My mail remains in the ISP's Inbox despite the proper setting in my Mac Mail program to remove copy from server immediately after downloading. Even after I close my mail program, the old mail will not be deleted. I must go to my Inbox via the Net and delete the mail with a global tag/delete.
This problem began 5 to 7 months ago. Before that the auto deletion worked fine, and it worked fine in older versions of OS X. Is this an ISP compatibility? A bug in the current Mac Mail release? A bug in Tiger?
I asked my ISP and his first reply said this is one of many bugs in Mac Mail and I should switch to Thunderbird. I'll look at that but I prefer to use Apple software.
After 4 years I know how seldom Apple debugs Mail and Safari. Does anyone know if an update of Mail is on Apple's schedule?
iMac and others Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Try changing the setting to After one day or When moved
from Inbox (and leave it at that), to see whether it’s just the Right > away setting that doesn’t work or that Mail fails to remove messages > from that server no matter what the settings.
I'll do that.
BTW, have you actually tried using another mail
client such as Thunderbird
to check whether the same happens there as well?
My ISP, who hosts a university and has a higher percentage of Mac users than most, recommended Thunderbird so I presume it does well here at Ntelos.net
Once upon a time, for two decades as the active proprietor of the Freeware Hall of Fame, ( www.freewarehof.org ) my 12-hour-a-day hobby was installing and testing applications and utilities. I guess I'm tired, because it no longer sounds like fun.
iMac and others Mac OS X (10.4.8)
iMac and others Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Mail not removing copy for server - POP acct

I have checked "Remove Copy From Server" in Mail Preferences>Accounts>Advanced. I selected "When moved from Inbox". Copies are not being removed after I delete them from my inbox - the deleted messages are still in my Inbox when I login to my mail account via the web interface. The messages are in the Trash in the Mail app. I am using a POP account from SBC (my ISP) that runs on the Yahoo mail platform. Any ideas or suggestions?

I am having the same problem with my Yahoo account. After monkeying with the settings and saving the settings for that on session it seemed to do it but when I closed Mail and restarted it it did not continue to remove the trashed emails. So this option is definitely broken, at least for yahoo.

Syncronization: How can i store mail for different accounts remotely, and copy most important mails manually to local folders on two devices?

Hello. I have two devices and two accounts, so what i want is this:
I only want to store mail from both accounts in a remote place and copy most important mails to local folders.
(I will be grateful for any ideas as to where/how this "cloud" can be - specially free places)
* Can I have a copy of these local folders in both devices and the remote storage?
* Could i synchronize devices so that: when i move a mail to a local folder in any device, its copied to the same folders in
the other device and the remote storage place?
* The remote storage place will have many other folders. When I open Thunderbird, I also want to see these and the mail
inside, and also be able to move mail from the inbox to these folders.
* One of the accounts is gmail. In Account Setting tool, there is an option for synchronization. If there is no easier way, I can have mail for other account copied to gmail, and just syncronize gmail mail. For this, how will I copy my present folder structure to gmail. And how can I syncronize the local folders on the two devices?
Thanks in advance.

The first awkwardness I see is that there's no obvious format in which to store messages remotely such that you can work with them in an email client. It may be possible to set the "Local Directory" option in the account in Thunderbird to point at some remote folder (DropBox comes to mind) but I have never tried this and I'd be nervous about what happens if connection can't be made, or if you happened to access it from two different places simultaneously. The other concern is that mail stores get big, quickly, and you'd be forever uploading and downloading large (multi gigabyte) files. Thunderbird stores what looks like a folder containing many separate messages as one big file, so there's no simple opportunity for incremental changes to be up/down loaded.
The whole idea of Local Folders in Thunderbird is to detach messages from servers, so they don't track what happens on servers. I say this to point out the distinction between files stored locally and permanently ("Local Folders"), versus cached copies of online files ("synchronized"). It's not safe to regard your synchronized folders as permanent.
So, synchronized folders on an IMAP server are "mirrored" in Thunderbird so you do have a local (albeit temporary and transient) copy of messages; this is done mainly to avoid repeatedly downloading messages if you re-read them, and it makes searching faster an more efficient. But these "synchronized" message track what's being done on the server, and so if they are deleted anywhere, all synchronized devices will at some point also see the deleted messages vanishing. (Unless you made a local copy in the Local Folders account.)
I use a gmail account pretty much as you have described; I copy or move messages to that account so they are visible in my phone, my tablet, my own laptop and my works computer. It's free, and it's "in the cloud"; the only reservation I have is its privacy. There are other providers (e.g. 1&1/gmx) who don't seem to have the data collection fetish that google thrives on.
It's fairly simple to create filters in Thunderbird to automatically copy messages to your "cloud account"; even better is to set up forwarding rules on the other accounts' servers, so your messages are automatically sent on and waiting for you when you next login, already in the cloud account.

Problem syncing Mail between two computers

I know this is a well worn topic and I've read the posts on syncing mail between two computers. Overall, I've gotten it to work pretty well. Whenever I move from one computer to another, I copy my ~/Library/Mail folder to my thumbdrive and sync it w/ the same folder on my other computer before I fire up Mail on it.
But here's the problem: I rebuilt the "sent" mailbox on one of my computers (let's call it computer A). This apparently gives new message numbers to the messages. Things worked great on computer A after that.
Then I synced the mailbox with my other computer, computer B. On computer B, the change in mailbox numbers apparently was not recognized. Every message in the "sent" folder gave me the message that I needed to go online and download the message. So I rebuilt the "sent" mailbox on computer B. Things then worked great.
Then I synced back with computer A and the same thing happened. Every message in the sent folder gave me the "download from server message."
It seems that I'm in some sort of infinite loop. The rebuild on one computer is not recognized by the other computer. Clearly, there is some file somewhere that contains info that's not being conveyed when I sync the ~/Library/Mail folder.
Any suggestions??

That is interesting. To that effect I have thrown together this Applescript:
(CAUTION... do not run this script, experimental only!
set flashDrive to "FLASH"
tell application "System Events" to exists process "Mail.app"
if the result is true then tell application "Mail" to quit
-- copy files to mounted disk
do shell script "rm -r /Volumes/" & flashDrive & "/Mail/"
do shell script "cp -r ~/Library/Mail /Volumes/" & flashDrive & "/"
do shell script "cp ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist /Volumes/" & flashDrive & "/Mail/"
--copy files to userfolder
do shell script "rm -r ~/Library/Mail"
do shell script "cp -r /Volumes/" & flashDrive & "/Mail ~/Library/"
do shell script "cp /Volumes/" & flashDrive & "/Mail/com.apple.mail.plist ~/Library/Preferences/"
Problem is, I don't know how to tell the script which version of mail data is older or newer. If you know of such a way let me know and I'll script it in, otherwise the user is stuck with manually choosing what to copy to where.
And as we all know, any user choices are error-prone.

ICal Server mail notification generates malformed Reply-To header

When a mail notification (invitation) for an event is sent by iCal Server running on Snow Leopard Server to an outside email address, an apparently malformed "Reply-To" header similar to
[email protected]
is always inserted into the message. As the above address is not a valid one, the recipient is unable to reply to the event invitation. The "From" and "Return-Path" headers always indicate the correct email address "[email protected]".
Has anyone encountered this issue, or more importantly, know of a solution?

Remember - email addresses are technically only the @domain.com address. The suffix information is only a user of that domain.
ALL email sent regardless of who or how it is addressed before the @ is technically irrelevant to the end client (outlook, thunderbird, etc..)
Email is really only a DNS operation. The @domain.com is resolved somewhere in the cloud (no one really wants a boring DNS resolution lesson here....) to your domain server. In your public DNS records there are MX records which tell anyone trying to send email to your DOMAIN (not users) what mail servers you have, where they can be located, and in what priority they are used (if multiple mail servers are used.)
Once the email finds its way to your email server, it internally resolves the info before the @ to it's user directory (AD, OD, whatever) and then the mail server processes the message and sends it along to the user if it validates. But it still arrives at your mail server regardless if it is correct or not.
You can try this test yourself... (as long as copy all undeliverable mail to: is enabled in your server admin)
Send an email to some made up email address... [email protected].
It will still be resolved to your email server and "delivered" to your "copy undeliverable email to:" address. Even though it is not a valid user of your domain.
So, what does all that crap have to do with the topic? When you hit reply to an third party ical invite (because internal ical users don't use email for invites) - everything in front of the @domain.com is irrelevant in the reply process. And this applies to all email clients. The message is resolved and sent back to your @domain.com email server. So when you see the icalserver+blah blah blah [email protected] it is a correct address and all email clients only see the info after the @ for routing and send it to your email server.
It is once it hits the Mac Server does the magic happen. In the setup of ical, you specify an ical email address for this specific third party email invite function. Hence, the [email protected] address.
Mac email server has built in support for sub-addressing and this is where everything AFTER the "+" is resolved internally in the ical server.app. iCal uses this information to process the invite.
So, in closing... it has to be a Mac server for this function to work.
Hope I didn't stray to far from your question.
Scott

VMM Library server refresh fails with error 2910

After changing our Library structure I'm getting this error whenever I try to refresh the library share on one of our Library servers:
I have no idea why VMM tries to access a file inside userprofiles\temp. The svc_scvmm is a service account, but not the account used for communication with the library server from VMM. The correct service account is a member of the local admins, so the problem
shouldn't lie there. The file it's asking for simply doesn't exist.
Anyone have any pointers?

Hi Trond,
"Was your library share on the VMM server? VMM requires that you have a Library Server on the VMM server. If you try to remove this server through VMM, you will get an error not allowing you to do this.
If the files on the new share are the same ones that were refeshed into the old share, the library refresher should find that they have moved. Whenever the library refresher brings files under management it tags them with an ID. However
if these files were copied before they had been put into the orginal library share, they will be missing the necessary tag that identifies them as being identical and therefore not found. At this point you'll have to remove and recreate the templates.
I believe the error you are seeing is because the VMM Server account is not in the administrators group on the host machine. You could either add the account or re-add the library server using the administrator console. "
This is quoted from the following similar thread :
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/63225d77-9efe-4ecd-8903-468a7f7eb8f8/change-of-a-library-server?forum=virtualmachinemanager
Hope this is helpful to you .
Best Regards,
Elton Ji
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