Daisy chain of routers

I've already got a 500GB Time Capsule on its way in the mail. I've just found out that I'm going to be moving into a house with a bunch of friends. The potential problem is that the owner of the house already has his own wireless a/b/g router (brand unknown) and cable modem (whatever Cox sold him with his internet) set up for the network. I've offered up my forthcoming Time Capsule for the purposes of wireless networking, but he's loathe to change his setup as it has been in place for some years.
In the interest of diplomacy, I've devised what I figure could be an amicable solution from a "societal" standpoint, but the technical machinations of which I am unsure. That is where my questions begin...
1) Would it be an easy (or even possible) solution to simply plug my Time Capsule directly into the cable modem and then daisy chain his router to the Time Capsule via ethernet cable? This way, if it works, we can have two networks (his original a/b/g and my n) running simultaneously.
2) Would this allow him to keep his network configurations intact while I'd have my Time Capsule network?
3) Would this present any great disadvantage--as far as network speed goes-- to either my network or his?
4) Like I said, I'm unsure of what kind of router he uses (definitely not an Airport), but would the router likely have any objection (security or otherwise) to being stuck on the end of a daisy chain like I've proposed?
5) Would there be any likelihood of interference from having two routers pumping out internet right next to each other? If so, will simply changing the frequency of the Time Capsule do anything to alleviate the problem of interference?
I know, the easiest solution is probably just to try it, but as I've said, the owner of the house is very happy with what he has set up and very reluctant to change it. He would like some sort of evidence that it won't foul everything up before I even begin to mess with it.
Thank you all very kindly for reading this. This might be sort of uncharted territory, but that's what we're here for, right?

Wow, thanks for letting me know about that other thread. Great info.
I have some follow-up questions for anyone who knows anything about this stuff.
1) I was thinking that putting a g router in between the cable modem and the Time Capsule would disallow using my Time Capsule in n mode. Am I incorrect in that assumption?
2) Another reason I wanted to put my Time Capsule in between the cable modem and the g router was that I was hoping I could do all the configuration in my Time Capsule and leave the g router settings alone. Is that a faulty assumption as well? Would I still have to mess with the g router's settings either way?

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Can someone please help me understand daisy chaining W8960N routers.
Setup: Router 1 (R1 = 192.168.1.1) replaces HH3 without problem and an ethernet output from it goes from R1 to Router 2 (in this case R2 = 192.168.1.10).
1. Does R2 need a reboot after EVERY change or is there some guideline to when "Save & Apply" is adequate without a reboot?
2. If I disconnect R2 and make a change e.g. NAT enable/disable or change routing and then reconnect to R1, does R1 accept the new settings immediately or does it remember the old settings (in other words: Does R1 need a reboot when changes are only made to R2)?
3. Is R2 PPPoE or IPoE (or IoW)?
4. Does R2 see "the outside world" as its WAN port such that R1 is the IP address (or IP gateway address - [ these confuse me]) or does it see the outside world as R1's connection to BT modem. If the latter case does R2 still need to supply ISP userid and pswd?
5. DNS - Should R2 DNS point to the outside world servers or just to R1 (192.168.1.1) or does it make no difference.
6. There is consensus that only one router should have DHCP (R1) however most sites say that NAT must be disabled on R2. Steve Gibson's site explains how NAT on router 2 adds to security. Should it be on or off? Same with SPI firewall?
7. Finally, would R3's config be identical to R2 (except it's IP address).
Thanks

1. Does R2 need a reboot after EVERY change or is there some guideline to when "Save & Apply" is adequate without a reboot?
Mine needs a reboot every time
2. If I disconnect R2 and make a change e.g. NAT enable/disable or change routing and then reconnect to R1, does R1 accept the new settings immediately or does it remember the old settings (in other words: Does R1 need a reboot when changes are only made to R2)?
R2 doesn't affect R1 at all.
3. Is R2 PPPoE or IPoE (or IoW)?
R2 doesn't have it's WAN port connected, so it doesn't matter what you choose
4. Does R2 see "the outside world" as its WAN port such that R1 is the IP address (or IP gateway address - [ these confuse me]) or does it see the outside world as R1's connection to BT modem. If the latter case does R2 still need to supply ISP userid and pswd?
R2 doesn't have the WAN port connected, so ignored.
5. DNS - Should R2 DNS point to the outside world servers or just to R1 (192.168.1.1) or does it make no difference.
R2 doesn't have the WAN connected so ignored.
6. There is consensus that only one router should have DHCP (R1) however most sites say that NAT must be disabled on R2. Steve Gibson's site explains how NAT on router 2 adds to security. Should it be on or off? Same with SPI firewall?
You must disable DHCP on all routers except R1 - Only 1 DHCP server is required.
7. Finally, would R3's config be identical to R2 (except it's IP address).
Yes
Most importantly, disable QSS on all routers as this is a big security risk - it allows your wifi to be hacked.
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I've been googling but have been unsuccesful and my friendly automated Verizon CR pop up box has no clue what I'm asking him :-)
Given the configuration in our house, we can only hardwire into the FIOS Internet in one location (with a MI424WR router), and I need a hard connection at a 2nd location to activate my slingbox.
I have a 2nd MI424WR that I'd like to daisy chain to the 1st one, at the secondary location where I have the slingbox. Once I have internet access at the 2nd location, I assume I can then get the slingbox working off of that internet signal at the 2nd router.
So....can anyone explain simply, step by step, how I can daisy chain the routers such that the 2nd router can piggyback on the 1st router's internet access?
Thanks so much - and the simpler and more straightforward the instructions, the better - I'm not the strongest techie in the world!

wOw! how confusing.
Actually, Your 2nd Verizon Router can be turned into just a basic switch, so no need to go purchase anything. - To make it act like just a switch instead of a router, You need to access that router's configuration page and turn off the 'DHCP Server' function.
to do that you need to connect a computer to that 2nd router via an ethernet cable (Plug the power cord in for that router, but do NOT connect that router to the internet) plug the cable from your computer into one of the 4 LAN ports on that router (not the WAN port)
open your internet browzer on the computer connected to that router and type in 192.168.1.1 in the address bar <- that should connect you to the page to enter the configuration pages of that router.
NOTE: If you hold in the reset button on the back of that router for 15 seconds, then let it go and wait about 2 minutes before you try the above process, you will have reset the default access codes on that router to make it easiest to gain access to.... the default login name = admin, and the default login password = password (or password1)    You may be directed to change the password the first time you access the router, but that is up to you if you want to change it.
Any way, log into the router    choose 'advanced' at the top, choose 'yes' you want to proceed, then look for 'IP Address Distribution' in the main part of the screen, open that,   you should see something like 'Network (Home\Office)' and on that same line out to the right you see a box labled 'Action' - click on that 'Action' box and another box opens. AT the top of that new box you see a listing for 'Services' and under that the only service listed should be 'IP Address Distribution' with a drop down menu to the right. By default it should say "DHCP Server".   Click on the drop down menu and choose 'disable'.   Then click on 'APPLY' at the bottom, then choose "logout" on the left.
NOTE:   If you ever need to reset that router, it goes back to the default settings, which makes it a DHCP server again. (There is a way to 'save' your current configuration to the computer the Router is attached to, so that you can 'restore' the current settings in the future without needing to go through all the steps here.)
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Your device will then receive an IP address.
NOTE:    The easiest, fastest way to have all this 'just work', will be to turn off the first router BEFORE you connect the second router to it.    Turn off all devices connected to the first router.   Have your 2nd router turned off as well as whatever you are going to be connecting to the 2nd router.   TURN everything off.    Then make all the connections. Then FIRST turn on the first (main) router.   wait until you have the internet light is green on that first router before you turn anything else on. SECOND, turn on the second router and wait until the internet light on it is green on it before you turn on anything else.    Then turn on whatever devices.   It should all just work.
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I have recently got a new wireless router from O2- Thomson router, "G"
This is set up at main BT socket as primary wi-fi router.
I wish to add two of my old routers as a daisy chain just to extend the range to those rooms where reception is poor.
One is a Thomson speedtouch 576, other is a Sagem provided by Sky. Both are "G".
help me with step by step instructions if you can please?
Thanks in anticipation.
Regards

Welcome to the discussion area!
Are you planning to connect all of your routers using ethernet cables? If yes, then you need to place the Thompson and Sagem devices into "bridge" mode. If no, then you need to contact support for Thompson and Sagem regarding your products.
Since this is the discussion area for the AirPort Express, AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule, we will not able to provide you with any details about the configuration of Thompson or Sagem products.

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I have had a Netgear WGR614 for 3-4 years and it has worked perfectly for those years. My husband's employer is beginning a pilot (wireless) program which will allow a few supervisors to use their laptops at home. They can already use them wired but the object of this program is to see if the company wishes to persue a wireless program. The only stipulation is that a company furnish and configured router must be daisy chained onto ours. That compnay furnished router is a lInksys WRT54G and has been set up as the company sees fit. We cannot access (or at least I have not tried resetting to see if I can access the configuration but may do that).
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3) Since I cannot access his settings to see if DHCP is enabled how do i determine it is and if not can anything be done.
When he powered down he got a message re ACS.exe ... memory...address etc. This is not the full message but most thinkpad users know this is their access connections software so I am assuming it is a problem loading a profile or something on the laptop that we probably will not be able to change.
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Message Edited by KSM526 on 04-05-200705:53 AM

If your wirelss router is "daisy chained" they should not be running DHCP. How are they connected? Internet connection>main router?>wireless router? I would say setting up static IP's for each user would be way better. What security are you using if any? If your wireless is behind another router then configure it as a WAP (wireless access point) and let the main routers DHCP assign your IP addreeses. Not sure if that router will let you but my wrt54gs will. Make sure the router is all configured then plug it in from numberd port to munberd port on the wireless router if you want it as a WAP and make sure the DCHP is off in the wireless router. With the ip changing everytime you restart your pc tells me the DHCP on the wirless router is on. Make sure the router does have the latest firmware installed and your security if any is configured before you convert it to a WAP. This configuration bypasses the wireless routers options and basically extends a wireless option to your main router.
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Can You Daisy Chain Verizon Actiontec MI424WR Routers???

I currently have an Actiontec MI424WR router which is a wireless G router. Since I have some Tivo HD units in the house (they use wireless G) that I'm looking to upgrade to Tivo Premiere (they use wireless N), I'd like to upgrade my wireless network to wireless N (I would be able to transfer HD shows between Tivo units ALOT faster over a wireless N network as the G network I have now is very slow). I also will be buying my son an Xbox and the faster network would help with all the online gaming.
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Can the WRT54GS (the super G version) be Daisy Chained (1 router, 2 as APs with dhcp disabled) and if so which port should link to from router #1, port1 or the "internet" port.
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These answers are incomplete oin their face:
You described the config as:
router -3 (dhcp disabled)
ssid - router3
channel 11
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which tells nothing about the "WAN and LAN addresses cannot be the same"
The "Local IP" address cannot be the same as the Internet (WAN) address
"Internet Setup" or "Netword Setup"?
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Let's tell the whole story here, the complete configuration. It's a simple expectation to have a second router hard-wired to the first router, and the secod router providing "distant" wireless access to the network.
The whole story folks?

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I am quite sure that the system is "closed" and it's not a Development system, e.g. a Production System. Please confirm.
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