Delta Que / v1 update / v3?
Hi All!
I have a very basic question ( according to u),
As per Roberto weblog, in direct delta, for each document posting the data is directly transferred into Delta Que(RSA7) with in V1 Update.
what is V1?
Both statistic update and document update are carried out at the same time.
In direct delta, there is no need to schedule a job inorder to transfer the data to delta Que.
My Question is that,
1) As the doucument is directly transferred into the delta Que, whether ( why) we have to maintain Job contorl in LBWE ?
2) <b>Second Question</b>
As with in V1 Update ,data is transferred to delta que
How can we say in common that delta method is V3 in LO?
Regards
Durai
Hi ajay
Glad to see u in forum.
Just Mow I have read your previous thread.
Every one says that delta mecanism is V3 in LO. Is it correct?
If correct, where V3 Happens in Direct delta?
As per your previous thread, whenever the Document changes occur, or is posted(created), it is stored in underlying database table (This is V1).
Then it comes to Staistisc table (This is V2).
Whether application table is Underlying database table or Statistic table?
If its application table, How the data comes to Delta Que with in V1 ?
rEGARDS
dURAI
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u2022 Even though it says serialized , Correct sequence of extraction data cannot be guaranteed
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u2022 Details in SAP Note 505700
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u2022 Setup and delta initialization have to be executed successfully before document postings are resumed
u2022 V1 is more heavily burdened
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u2022 Extraction is independent of V2 update
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u2022 Downtime is reduced to running the setup
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u2022 Administrative overhead of extraction queue
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u2022 In contrast to serialized V3, the data in the updating collective run is without regard to sequence from the update tables
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u2022 V2 update has to be successful
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ASIM.Unserialized V3 update:
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to the update tables with an V3 update module and is kept there until the data is read
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Error:
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