Derivation rule for Product from Material Group

Dear All,
Is it possible derive product from Material Group. The scenario is as below.
We executed KE30 report (Classic Drill down) for Product, the we are able to see the profitability for different products, when we click on the list button (Find button) againist the product at the bottom we found not assigned, we selected that and we found there are some un assigned amounts (without product). when we see the line items for the same the line items are coming with out product ( product field is emply)
Another observation is we created profitability assessment cycle (KEU5) in which cost center is the sender and material group is the receiver. when we run this cycle system is not distibuting the costs to the products, in the sender and receiver its executed with zero values.
In derivation rule KEDR we gave the logic to derive product from material group.
please guide the way which we are following is correct or not. can we derive product from material group.
Thanks,
Siva Reddy.S

Hi
Yes you can derive using "Derivation" method in KEDR and maintain a mapping of Mat Grp to Product... But that is not the right way
You need to find out why some lines are posted w/o products.. They can be genuine cases....
Also for assessment, either specify the Product as receiver or run KE28 Top Down Dist in order to allocate values from Mat group to Products..... Deriving Product from Mat group does not seem to be the nice way
br, Ajay M

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