Derive Profit Center in COPA as a characteristic

Hi
I have defined an Internal Order with Business Area = 1 and Profit Center =1. There after I have defined a characteristic derivation as "
Source Field: Controlling Area =1000, Business Area = 2
Target Field: Profit Center =2
Condition
Sales Area =
What I want to do is that while creating a settlement rule, i want to settle the costs to a Business Area and profit center, which is different from the one maintained in Internal Order.
However, the characteristic is not getting derived as the step 8 for deriving profit center from CO Order master takes a preference over my derivation rule.
How can I have the profit center 2 derived in this case.
Regards
Sanil Bhandari

Hi Sanil
this note says that fields like Sales Org, GSBER, PRCTR are not available for derivation... They are greyed out and hence no derivation works on them... So, using this modification, you should open these fields for derivation...
In 4.x releases, there was an option to manually enter the desired PRCTR in settlement rule.. See if that works in your system
Regards
Ajay M

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