Digi beta PAL editing on i Mac

Hi all. I am a film editor who has recently bought fcp and is eager to do my first professional job on it. An opportunity has arisen and I'm thinking of doing it at home on my imac (2.8 Intel Core Duo with 2Gb RAM). I'm unsure whether Pro Res 422 clips from the original Digibeta rushes will run smoothly on my machine. I am asking because I will be digitising the footage at an edit house and then bringing the files back home on a drive. so I need to know the maximum res my machine can cope with before digitising.

You might get away with uncompressed 8 bit on a FireWire 800 external drive. Do a small test first.
A few years ago I had to edit a long form project on a G4 from digi beta material. I captured through another companies machine with a Black Magic card to DV, retaining original timecode and edited at home.
Obviously, this was only to edit. I then went back and batch captured the finished version at full res to do color grading and titles.

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Wish I could offer more help other than to say Blackmagic is usually pretty quick with a fix once they identify there is a problem. We're in Sydney, and had some problems with dropped frames a couple of years ago, and they did some very quick testing and realised that they hadn't tested there new drivers with Batch digitise - point is, they issued a fix (updated driver) extremely quickly.
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A fully fleshed out how-to could easily be a book chapter or even a section with several chapters.
If this is a once in a while thing for you, and you don't have a background with broadcast tape decks, I do not suggest you take this on, unless you are prepared to spend days prepping and getting the output right.
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18. Check the record. Playback your work so you can be sure it is all there.
19. Make a second copy if it is required for delivery.
20. Make a copy that you keep in-house. In case something terrible happens when you ship the tape.
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