Disappointed in Cinema Display...

Perhaps it's just the way of flat screen monitors, but I just bought a 20" cinema display and I have to say it's pretty disappointing. Graphics look pretty good but text looks like somebody smudged it with their thumb. Even the Apple logo that comes on when you boot up looks really low res, especially compared to my old VGA monitor. Plus -- you'll probably think I'm crazy -- but the whites are so bright it hurts the eye after a while to look at it, like staring at a light bulb. I wish there was some way to tone down the brightness. Anyway I went to Best Buy and looked at other displays and none looked all that sharp, so I guess that's the way of the world these days.
Am I the only one who thinks these flat panels are overrated?
Scott
G4   Mac OS X (10.4.9)  

The smudged looking text may be because of the anti-aliasing or font smoothing. LCDs are generally so sharp compared to a CRT you can see the individual pixels that make up each character. This can also lead to a jagged appearance for characters containing diagonal lines, for example, an upper case 'A'. Anti aliasing or font smoothing attempts to correct this but can result in soft or fuzzy looking text. You can adjust the amount of smoothing applied or switch it off entirely for smaller font sizes using the Appearance(?) system preference. There should be an option 'Medium - best for flat panels'.
The Apple logo is low res, but perhaps deliberately so, as it has to cater for the lowest resolution screens. I think the resolution in general switches during the blue screen when the OS starts loading. You also need to run the display at it's native resolution (and hence need a graphics card capable of supporting it).
As for the brightness, the default setting is too high for me as well but it should be easily adjustable via the relevant system preference. Lowering it may also increase the longitivity of the back light.

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    Message was edited by: telelove

    I've been talking about this on another forum too, and I made some pictures in photoshop to describe the problem. Here is what I posted on the other forum:
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    http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3045/td1ja9.jpg
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    Message was edited by: telelove

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