Double side business card crop marks

Hi
I am working on double sided business cards. I am using illustrator cs4. But the crop marks on one side dont align with the other. I am also using a
office jet pro 8600 with duplex printing. I called HP but they said it has nothing to with the printer. They said it is the software that I am using.

Hi,
May we have a screenshot of your canvases? How you set up your print depends largely on how you are approaching the layout of the project. How significant is misalignment? Are we talking about 1/16th of an inch or whole inches?
There are multiple factors to be addressed when printing couble sided documents. Firstly, you need to be sure that your files are set up so that the front and back are aligned within the document itself. I'm assuming that you are using canvases that are the dimensions of the card. In the print dialog you should also be making sure that the file is set up to print the document in the absolute center.
Secondly, your printer has to be aligned properly. This is another beast entirely, and you will need to consult your printer documentation to figure out how to adjust this.
I know this is kind of a non-answer, but I hope it gets you on the right track. Good luck!

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Dear reader(s),
Let me introduce myself; my name is Matthew Hennessy from the Netherlands and I mostly PhotoShop, Illustrate for a hobby (for the last 5 years).
In the past 5 years I have learned a lot when it comes to designing, but this isn't enough. A few weeks ago my boss asked me to design a new logo and new text, with the intention of using it on business cards, brief paper and envelopes.
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1. Crop marks - I have seen a lot of tutorials on the internet where people refer to 'crop marks', why are these necessary? What are they? What are they used for? How can I set the preferences and how can I see if I use the 'crop marks' correctly?
2. Trim marks - I have seen a few people talking about this. Are 'trim marks' the same as 'crop marks'?
3. Bleeding - this is something I really try to figure out, and already did my best but I'm not getting any wiser! Example given of my problem:
I'm planning to (when this comes to an end), order business cards, brief paper and envelopes on Vistaprint (Dutch site). The preferred size is 1. 90mm x 52mm (complete document) or 2. 87mm x 49mm (cut off).
What is the difference between these two sizes? I suppose this has something to do with the bleeding, but what?
Now this is what confuses me, and I don't think I'm the only one:
3.1. I made a new document in Illustrator CS5, with the 'complete document' measurements 90mm x 52mm (300DPI, CMYK). Do I need to input bleeding before I push ok?
3.2. I made a new document in Illustrator CS5, with the 'cut off document' measurements 87mm x 49mm (300DPI, CMYK). Do I need to input bleeding before I push ok?
4. Is there a checklist or anything to do this perfectly? As you can imagine I don't want to mess this up.
Any help will be greatly appreciated, e-mail contact would be great too: [email protected]
Thank you for reading, I will be around to look for replies! Thanks again!
- Matthew

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1. Crop marks - I have seen a lot of tutorials on the internet where people refer to 'crop marks', why are these necessary? What are they? What are they used for? How can I set the preferences and how can I see if I use the 'crop marks' correctly?
Forget so-called "Crop Marks." Crop Marks and Crop Region are Illustrator-specific terms. It's an Illustrator feature that creates a set of (grossly oversized) printable marks on the Artboard for the printing house to use as trim indicators and/or (depending on version) to define a region for output when you export the file in certain formats. Other programs in Illustrator's genre don't even have this feature because it's really not necessary. Historically, it was Illustrator's workaround for its lack of a proper bleed feature and single-page limitation. I never even use Illustrator's Crop Marks. If I want trim marks to print, I simply draw my own.
Trim marks is an industry term. Trim marks are short hairlines which align to the edges at which you want the paper to be trimmed after printing, but are placed outside the actual trim rectangular area so that they get trimmed away. In most projects destined for offset printing, it's a good practice to draw proper trim marks in the bleed area of the page. The print dialog also provides a Printer Marks feature that will cause trim marks (among other things) to print outside the Artboard. (You don't need to worry about that in this scenario.)
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2. Trim marks - I have seen a few people talking about this. Are 'trim marks' the same as 'crop marks'?
So as explained above, Illustrator Crop Marks is an Illustrator feature commonly used to draw trim marks. I don't use that feature. It wastes space.
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3. Bleeding - this is something I really try to figure out, and already did my best but I'm not getting any wiser! Example given of my problem:
Bleed is an industry term that simply means you want ink to print "right to the edge of the paper." That's not actually possible on a commercial offset press. So if the design requires "right to the edge of the paper" printing, you cheat: You print on a larger-than-final-size sheet, put trim marks to indicate the final size of the piece, and design so that anything that is supposed to "print to the edge" actually extends beyond those trim marks. Theoretically, if the physical processes of commercial printing were perfect, you could draw your design "just to" the trim. But paper expands and shrinks with humidity changes, Press sheets jog around a bit as they get picked up by the suction lifts and grippers and shoved and squished between the rollers. (It's a mechanical miracle that the process works at all, and has for over a century. A full-size CMYK offset sheetfed press is a marvelous piece of engineering.) After printing and drying the sheet is trimmed at the trim marks, and the artwork that extends beyond the trim marks is chopped off.
Typically in commercial offset printing, 1/8 inch of "extra artwork" beyond the trim is sufficient to allow for the inaccuracies of the process.
Now here's the thing: If you are working in the traditonal manner with a commercial printing house, you know the press size and sheet size that will be used for the project. You can do all kinds of things at the design stage to minimize unnecessary work at the printing house by "designing for the press sheet." For example, in the press houses with which I work, I would never deliver a business card project output file as a single-card image on a single-card-sized page. No conventional offset printer is going print business cards one-card-at-a-time on 3.5 x 2 inch sheets. They are going to "gang" (step & repeat) multiple images of the card on one press sheet.
Typically, I would know in advance the press sheet size that is going to be used and the necessary space for gripper and press sheet margins. I would set up the software page to the size of the press sheet and arrange multiple instances of the card in that space. I would draw my own trim marks for each card in the array. If the sheet size is such that it will result in alot of paper just going in the waste bin, I may design some other piece in the otherwise unused area (a bookmark or hangtag, for example) and thereby get an "almost free" second document out of the press run. If the cards is designed to be printed on both sides, I will often arrange the page to accommodate "work and turn" printing, wherein both sides of the card gets printing on one side of the sheet, the sheets are simply flopped over and run through the press again. That avoids the need for a second press setup.
But since everybody and his third cousin's nephew is now a "designer," many printing houses have set up "click & drag" printing solutions on the web. Such solutions make it "quick & easy" (not necessarily cheaper) for the neophyte and "idiot proof" for the printer by removing the above-described flexibility and designing "one size fits all" workflows. That's what you're chasing with the Vistaprint vendor.
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I'm planning to (when this comes to an end), order business cards, brief paper and envelopes on Vistaprint (Dutch site). The preferred size is 1. 90mm x 52mm (complete document) or 2. 87mm x 49mm (cut off).
What is the difference between these two sizes? I suppose this has something to do with the bleeding, but what?
In the Vistaprint .ai template for design-your-own business cards I just downloaded to see what you're talking about, they have the artboard set to accommodate a design with bleed. You don't have to design bleeding elements, but the space is there if you do.
The AI Artboard (page) is 90 x 52 mm. Think of that as your bleed area. If there are elements in your design that you want to "print to the edge" of the finished card, draw them all the way to the edges of the Artboard. The printer is, in effect, telling you that if you do that, then you will be providing enough "extra" artwork to accommodate the inherent variances in the printing/triming process.
The (grossly overthick) 87 x 49mm red rectangle is the trim. So it effectively is the "trim marks". It represents the final card after it is trimmed down to final size. That's the size your cards will be when delivered. That roughly coresponds to the 3.5 x 2 inch dimensions that are considered the norm in the US. I don't know about what's the convention in Europe, but assuming it is the same as in the US, that's the size you want the cards to be. Business cards that are even slightly oversized usually end up in the trash can because they often don't fit pockets in card-carriers or plastic sleeves.
The (grossly overthick) blue rectangle is the so-called "safe area". That's nothing more than a suggested "safe design margin" between your artwork and the trim. The idea is that you are supposed to keep any elements of the design that you don't want to risk getting "too close" to the edges of the final piece--or even getting chopped off by the trim--within that rectangle. Magazines and newspapers are also fond of providing "safe area" in their add space specs. I ignore them. I know what kind of visual "margins" I want in my designs and I know when I am risking getting too close to the trim. But an amateur designer may think it brilliant to "make a title as big as possible" and actually crowd text almost right up against the trim (in other words, poor design). Then he gets upset when the normal variance in the printing/trimming process causes the text to actually get cut on some of the finished pieces. By providing that rectangle, the printer is telling you "Don't blame us if some of your artwork is too close to the trimmed edge if you place that artwork beyond this rectangle."
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3.1. I made a new document in Illustrator CS5, with the 'complete document' measurements 90mm x 52mm (300DPI, CMYK). Do I need to input bleeding before I push ok?
3.2. I made a new document in Illustrator CS5, with the 'cut off document' measurements 87mm x 49mm (300DPI, CMYK). Do I need to input bleeding before I push ok?
In the "idiot proof" template that Vistaprint has provided, they are treating the Artboard size as the bleed, and the red rectangle as the trim. So there is no need for you to include trim or bleed marks in your design.
Just set up your AI document exactly as the template that Vistaprint provided. Better, actually use their document file and paste your artwork into it on the Layer named "Your Design". When arranging your artwork, leave the (poorly named) "Guides" Layer visible, but locked. Make any art elements (background fills, etc.) that you want to "print to the edge" of the finished card extend all the way to the Artboard edge. Keep all other design elements within the "safe margin" blue rectangle.
All this is explained, by the way, in the See Accepted File Types link on the Vistaprint site.
When done, delete the Layer named "Gudies." Deliver the file to the printer. I would not deliver the .ai file; I would deliver a PDF. If you insist on delivering as an .ai file, convert all text to paths (a practice I despise). If you deliver as PDF, simply choose File>Save A Copy... in Illustrator. In the resulting dialog, select Adobe PDF as the file type. In the next dialog, leave the top menu set to Illustrator Defaults, but set the compatibility popup to Acrobat 4 (PDF 1.3). That should be fine.
JET

Adding crop marks and registration Urrrrrrrr.... CS3 Mac

Hi,
I think I have been working longer on trying to add crop marks and bleed to a business card then actually designing the artwork. Adobe really pisses me off with these PDF, Illustrator nonsense. Why is it SO complicated to add crop mark and registration marks to send to a printer?
When I add a "Crop Area" in AI why it's not included when I export to PDF press quality? why do I need to start going through the crazy Acrobat Advanced menu? add printer marks... resize the page using the Crop Pages option... and then loosing my bleed background.
Is there a simple way to do this?
Thanks
Mic

Hi guys, you're really going about the whole thing wrong...as a prepress person I need to impose your designs to get best efficiency on the press. I will proably delete all your marks anyway and add my own.....however, my imposition programs use the HIDDEN crop, trim and bleed boxes in your artwork. If you make a huge page in illustrator and plonk your art somewhere arbitrarily in the centre I have to mess arounf for a few minutes to try to work out where your boxes lie. I am pretty careful, but I cannot guarantee other operators out there so you will probably start at the press with an error tolerance before you even start printing.
The correct way to use the adobe programs is to define the FINISHED size (for business cards we generalise at 90x55mm). Then in the setup section you define your bleeds and slugs. Design your cards on that artboard (and add as many artboards as you want). Then when you are finished EXPORT to PDF (and make yourself a saved preference for this to make it a 1 step process) using the marks options in the side panel. Your new PDF file is perfect finished art for your printer and we can impose to our hearts' delight knowing the correct boxes are in the meta data and our programs will be 100% accurate.
Now some of our clients need to show multiple cards up on a sheet to their clients so do not like this...but there is a trick. All you need to do is pull out an artboard around all your smaller cards. Take note of what artboard number this one is. Then all you do is export to pdf and only put that number into the Pages to be exported dialog (and put the other pages into the finished art file being sent to your printer). The one going to your client can have manual trim artwork added but clients don't need rego or colour marks so don't worry.
Everyone happy and really easy to do as this is how the program was built to be used
Good luck

Printing 2 sided business cards

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First of all double sided printing set-up from Illustrator is something that is very specific to the printer you are using, so you'd need to refer to your printer's user documentation to review the correct settings. Having said that the steps you take are very similar for all printers.
Here are some steps that might be of help:
The easiest way to this is probably to place the front and back of the business cards on two separate artboards, for example Artboard 1 for the front of the cards and Artboard 2 for the back of the cards. Use the Artboards panel (Window > Artobards) add a second artboard of you've not yet got front and back on separate sheets.
In the File > Print dialog box, in the General section ensure that 'All' Artboards are selected or define the Artboards Range to print if you have more than two artboards in your Illustrator file.
You might also want to enable Trim Marks (Marks and Bleed section) so you can easily trim the cards after printing.
You can access your printer specific settings, such as duplex or double sided printing by clicking 'Setup...' at the bottom of the Print dialog box in Illustrator.
Mostly you'll find an option you can enable called 'Double Sided' or 'Two Sided'.
There will also be a second option for either Long Edge or Short Edge binding. For a portrait artboard you'd select Long-edge, for a landscape artboard you'd select Short Edge.
Once you've set the Setup specific to your printer click OK and you'll return to the Illustrator Print dialog box, from where you can now print.
You might need to tweak the position of your 'back' a little if your printer doesn't print perfectly registered.
Cari

How to edit a business card info

I need to know how to do so

Hi,
The Photoshop Elements trial is not crippled. You have the full function of Photoshop Elements thru your trial period. If you did not get a layered business card template and the place you used to create your card went bankrupt, you might try looking around the net for free business card templates. You can do this from scratch but it's easier with a template as it's already sized and it has a basic layout.
Templates come layered so all you need to do is double click on the T of the text layer you want to change in the layers palette and type in the desired text.
Edit: Mark was much faster at typing how to make a print screen. I'll leave all of the below anyway.
How to make a screen shot of your workspace if on Windows...
1. With your card open in the workspace and the layers panel open as I think Mark wants to see if you have a layered business card, press the print screen button on your keyboard. On my keyboard, it's located above the numeric keyboard.
2. After you press the print screen key, go to the menu and select File<New...from clipboard. A large blank document will open.
3. Press Ctrl + V keys at the same time to paste. Alternately, you can do this from the menu bar...Edit<Paste. This will paste the snapshot you took of your workspace into the open document.
4. (Optional step) You can use the crop tool to cut away unnecessary parts of your screenshot if desired.
5. Next, save the document. To make the document more forum friendly...smaller in file size, I'd use file<Save for Web but if you just want to File<Save As...it's okay. Save in JPG format so you can upload to the forum.
For the camera icon, Mark means the camera icon in the post box that appears when you post or reply to a post when using the web forum. Mark posted a screen grab with the icon but I'll add one with a red arrow pointing to the icon you click to add an image to a post.
I always save any image I want to upload to this forum or any forum to my desktop as it makes it easier to find. A dialog will come up that says choose. Press it and navigate to your JPG image. It will list the location where you have the file stored on your computer. Press the upload button to add the image to the post.
Edit: I'm not sure why Mark has a "Browse" on his button and I have "Choose". Same difference...just select whichever option your button displays.

Test: Using Crop marks in indesign CS4 with Epson 3800 Mac 10.5.7

Jun 19, 2009 9:35 PM
Crop marks using indesign CS4 with Epson 3800 Mac 10.5.7
My crop marks and pages are printing larger than my document sizes. My paper size is 13x19, so I should have crop marks at the exact corners of the page sizes. But indesign is printing the entire document larger. So my document which is 11x14.75 is now printing 11.25x15.5. All my settings are correct. So, is anyone else using an Epson 3800 with CS4 indesign having issues such as the above? And can I ask (beg) a few of you to do a test print with crop marks and let me know the results?
My workflow has been completely stalled because I can't get my pages to print the right sizes with the crop marks at the right measurements. I'm printing a photo portfolio on the Lumijet double sided paper and "when" it did work awhile back sometime several months ago, the finals looked great. I've already reinstalled both the Epson 3800 driver and the Indesign CS4 software, but the results are still the same.
So, here are my settings:
document size: 11x14.75
in the print panel:
Printer: Epson 3800
Setup: Paper size: Super A3/B13x19, scale 100% width & height, page position Centered
Marks & Bleed: Marks: "Crop Marks" checked. offset: 0, weight: .25, Bleed and Slug: Use Document bleed settings, include slug area. The bleed is 0 for top, bottom, left and right
Color Management: Document profile: Adobe RGB, Options: Indesign handles colors, Printer Profile: (A custom made profile using Xrite for the 3800 with Lumijet paper)
The settings on the Epson 3800
Epson 3800 Printer
Presets (set for the profile mentioned above)
No Color management
Sometimes, on a whim, the printer and indesign cooperate together like good little children should. But not often. And I can not conclude why they are nice to each other sometimes, but given the same detailed data at other times, they fight.
If anyone could run through a similar process using indesign with a photo layout and setting up the printer settings for both the Epson 3800 and in the indesign program and let me know their results, I would value your conclusions very much. You don't even have to waste paper or ink. Finally, after wasting so many pages of paper and of ink. I deleted the photos from the page, and printed it blank with only the crop marks for me to measure if it was coming out right or not.
Thank you for any response. And feel free to call me if you want to vent about Epson 3800's or about Indesign CS4 anytime! I'm up late.... 646 256 8853.
Thaddeus

I specified the paper size as strictly 13x19, no boarderless, no retain size. Same problem. I also did as you suggested below. The pdf document does remain true to the document. As a pdf doc. I changed the color mgmt to Adobe rgb 1998. It looks okay, but not as lively as I get when printing correctly with my color mgmt working and in sync.
Your final question about simply using photoshop. Well... I might go back to it and give up on Indesign if this is the case that it won't simply crop my documents to the sizes that I input them to be cropped as. But, I am using Indesign so that I can create a page layout that I can't do in Photoshop. My folio is about 25 or more pages with double page spreads. I am printing on a two-sided Lumijet paper and my folio was custom designed to be cut out at 11x14.75. If and when it is printed correctly, I am printing on both sides of the paper and trimming it to exact size.
It sounds as if you have exhausted the potential problems and don't have a clear explanation for why the doc isn't printing correctly in Indesign either with the color mgmt. or the document sizes. I'll try one more print using a different color profile similar enough to get at minimum, an okay print. If it doesn't print at least okay, then it isn't most likely my profile..... Okay done. Crazy. The color is inaccurate, but for some reason or another, the document size printed correctly. It measured exactly 11x14.75. What I have done during this period of time is:
First) I did as you suggested and turned the Print to Adobe PDF 9 and created a print there. I measured it and it did measure correctly. I didn't love the color, but... at least it is measuring correctly.
Second) I turned the Printer back to Epson 3800 (I'm beginning to think that this simple gesture was what caused the printer to print correctly) I didn't change any settings, but I did make sure that they were set correctly as before. The paper size was set to 13x19. When I make sure this setting is right in the "printer" dialogue for the Epson 3800, and then switch back to ID, the printer dialogue in Id changes to "Define by Printer." But I changed nothing, other than the profile to an older one that I used before. The color is still inaccurate, but at least for two prints just now back to back, the measurements were correct. What to do? Lol.
Thanks again for all of your time spent trying to resolve this issue.
Sincerely,
Thaddeus

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