Drive partition clarifications and win8.1 rollback to win8

Please forgive me if I have this in the wrong category, and a bit wordy.
Model Dell XPS 18 with i5 and 500gb HDD and 32gb SSD.
The primary drive was repartitioned into a 120gb drive for the OS and a 324gb for files. 
Under disk management there are shown 8 partitions:  500mb EFI system, 40mb OEM, 490mb OEM, 120gb Primary with boot page and crash dump, 350mb recovery, 324gb primary for files, 10.42gb recovery, 8.97gb OEM. 
The 32gb SSD drive only displays an 8gb hibernation partition. 
Within the Intel Rapid Storage program it lists both the 8gb FFS and a 22gb Dev_Cache.
Why are there 2 recovery partitions (350mb and 10.42gb)?
Why are there 3 OEM partitions (40mb, 490mb and 8.97gb)?
I installed the win8.1 update and intend on restoring the machine back to win8 with a Dell OS recovery and Restore USB Key.  My understanding is the Win8.1 update deletes the original Dell win8 recovery image.  If there is no more dell recovery
image available, can the OEM partitions be removed to recover space?  Future file and image backups can be managed via windows.
The XPS 18 machine does not use windows method of hibernation, but uses Intel Rapid Start with the hibernation partition on the SSD. 
Because the hibernation data is on the SSD drive, can the 6.6gb hiberfil.sys file in the root c: be deleted without any performance hit or other issues?

Thanks for your response.  Dell sent a restore flash drive, and yes the MBR of the EFI partition remained as win8.1 after the restore, and yes, all the Dell recovery data is wiped clean with the win8.1 update.  Only after the EFI partition
is deleted, corrupted or reformatted, only then the restore flash drive creates complete new clean partitions on the entire drive, and just 2 of the them: EFI and Primary, all back to win8, shiny and new :-) 
Also, my testing indicates the hiberfil.sys file is not needed with the Intel rapid start partition on the SSD drive, and the pagefile.sys can be set to a very small size when using the Intel rapid storage with the SSD drive.  This saves another 12GB
of HDD!
Here are some comments I want to share with others that will influence your decision to update to 8.1.
Win8.1 is not a simple update, and there is almost no chance of going back without the original restore discs.  Even so, if the restore utility does not see any corruption, it won't restore the MBR.  The result is you might
have a Win8 OS with a Win8.1 MBR.  When you make a recovery flash drive, it even tells you to label it as win8.1.
My main issue with Win8.1 was the lack of system-wide XP style scaling.  With a 1080p monitor, and scale set above the 125% standard, results in MOST programs text looking fuzzy, and MOST windows dialog boxes and windows utilities too.  The
programs can be set to XP scaling individually by changing properties, however the windows dialog boxes and built in programs cannot.  Until this is corrected, no win8.1 for me.  They claim it is due to the up and coming 4k monitors, and if they
let you globally set it to XP scaling, the program text would be too small to read.  Maybe so, but let me make that decision.  Moreover, why do windows own programs and utilities do not scale properly and look fuzzy.  This is a deal breaker. 
The start bar in win8.1 is only a little better, however there are many programs (like classicshell) that correct it to be just like win7 or vista or even XP.  There are programs that let you set the metro background image like 8.1 too.
I wanted to share the results of my experience and research. 
   

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    Pondini (or anyone else that would like to help),
    I am running Mac OS X 10.7.5. At my edit bay, we utilize a Facilis Terrablock 24D for storage, which connects to our system via fibre cables. Before upgrading to 10.7.5, Time Machine would back up all of our drive partitions on the Terrablock. Since the upgrade, Time Machine still recognizes the drives, we can add or subtract files from the drives, and it appears to make and save the changes, but when Time Machine backs up, it will only back up the local hard drive. No error messages come up. It just does its thing but only for the local HD. 
    All of the drive partitions are Mac OS Extended Journaled. All of the permissions seem to be in order.
    I have contacted Facilis and their technical support claims that they never tested their products with Time Machine (as they sell their own backup equipment) but in theory that it should work.
    I'm not sure what other information you might need but please let me know and I'll do my best. I was wondering if anyone else has come across an issue like this? Thank you for your time.

    LALB wrote:
    Upon including this partition and all of its contents, it disappears from the exclusion list as it should AND its size is reflected in the Estimated size of full backup. But this is the kicker! Upon clicking "Save" and starting Time Machine's backup, I receive the error "Time Machine could not complete the backup. There are no disks available to be backed up." Upon going back into TM Preferences > Options, I find that the external drive / partition has been put back on the Exclusion list. It's like it is automatically rejecting the partition after I have saved my exclusion list.
    That's quite strange. 
    TM does that if you try to back up a USB Thumb drive (I've filed a bug report), but this is the first I've heard of it under any other circumstances.  Then again, I don't recall a post by anyone trying to back up from a drive connected this way.
    If a drive isn't formatted for a Mac (ie, FAT32, ExFat, NTFS, etc), Time Machine cannot back it up, and will list it in gray on the exclusion list (same as the backup drive), and won't let you remove it from the list, so it's clear. 
    This sounds like a "cousin" of the way it treats a thumb drive, so sure seems like a bug.  TM will back up USB, FireWire, and Thunderbolt drives without a problem, if they're formatted right.
    If you have any Macs under 90 days old, or covered by AppleCare, a call to them is free, and the best way to get a quick answer (you may have to escalate to a "specialist" however, and it still may take a few days for something unusual).  Otherwise it's $50 U.S.
    An alternative is to file a Bug Report, per the green box in Reporting a Problem to Apple.   That most likely won't get a response for quite a while, though.
    Sorry, wish I had a fix!
    Let us know what, if anything, you find out.

  • Partitioning travels (and Happy Birthday to me!)

    Next to my avatar, I note that I signed up here 5 years ago today. Not as long as I've been sober,    but still a milestone. I'm quite sure my first Arch install was 0.4...'Voodoo'? The first Linux distro I touched that showed promise of one day "being ready for prime time" - I'm glad I waited for it!
    So, this is a 'slightly' off-topic post (but still quite 'on-topic'), and if the powers that be choose to move it; so be it. No skin off my back. This is (IICC) my 89th post in 5 years. Over the years I've made a couple of gaffes, and found more than a couple of bugs (my 'weird' partitioning schemes, outlined below, may test parts of software that most people don't, I don't know).
    But overall, I'm pretty quiet. I sometimes wait longer than I should for bugs I find annoying to be fixed, but they almost always are, without my involvement, and often as quickly as I could get a "round tuit" filling out a bug report! My own experience has been that unless I think I've found something substantial, early (which I've sortof done twice in the past two days), I don't report it. And if I do, I report it here. It usually shows up in days, if not hours, anyway. Just my experience.
    Anyway, I started checking out a (small number of) distros a few months back, plus I've been piddling with Arch x86_64 installs, so I've been dual-booting (between 32- and 64-bit Arch) even when I only have Arch on the machine! But I've had as many as 5 (Arch 32- and 64-bit, DistroU 32- and 64-bit, and DistroD WTF remembers how many bits it was now).
    For a good while (several years, in some form), I've had a partitioning scheme which I've never seen replicated in any tutorials on the subject, but which I find quite flexible and useful.
    I have several "non-mainstream" methods for handling multi-booting. Feel free to pick and choose anyhing you find useful, free as in beer and free (of) as in warranty, of course. 
    swap belongs on the fastest part of the drive; usually if not always the very beginning (outside) of the drive - IF you only have one installation. In this case, making a 1 GB swap, a  /  of your choice, size-wise, followed by (if you choose) a /home partition that takes the rest of the drive, saving a chunk at the end (40-80 MB) for /boot.
    To do this, when partitioning a new drive, 1st create a 1-2 GB primary ('xdy1'; x='s' or 'h', y='a-z'), for swap. Next, create a 2nd *primary* right behind, physically, xdy1 ('sda1'), xdy2, for  /  . Whatever you need, size-wize, 4-60 GB, I guess...
    NOW, depending on with *fdisk/gparted/whatever you're using, ether create your extended partition (if using an fdisk variant that will let you leave some space at the end); leave 40-80 MB free. Otherwise, create the extended partition first, and leave the last 40-80 MB unused. You should then be able (very likely after a reboot) to re-run *fdisk and create the final primary partition out of that chunk at the end. Your extended partition would've taken xdy3, so the chunk at the end is xdy4 - a *primary* partition.
    You can use this puppy for /boot; /boot BELONGS on the slowest part of the drive. It's very rarely accessed after sysinit. This setup offers 2 advantages: while no BIOS capable of running a 686-optimized Linux system limits you to the first 1024 'cylinders' (sic), some DO require the /boot partition to be on a primary partition. This IS a primary partition. Furthermore, if permanently placed at the end of the drive as a logical partition, every time you added or re-arranged your partitions, it's partition number would most likely change (the partition ID of your BOOT drive - yeah, yeah, I know, UUID's...). With it stuck like glue to 'sda4', it ain't going anywhere, regardless of how (or how many!    ) times you reorganize the extended partition (which is where.I tend to do most of my 'playing').
    You can then use the entire extended partition for /home, if you wish, or carve it up however you like. More on this below.
    When multi-booting, I've found ("developed"???) a sightly more sophisticated set of arrangements that seem to work well together (WHY RedHat didn't think of this in 1996 - it would be a de facto standard today! - I have NO idea...)
    Normally, distros want to install a vmlinuz26, and and a kernel26.img  (and maybe a fallback image, and a config26.gz, and a System.map file), into /boot/. A lot of my older (and some of my newer) machines required bootable partitions to be on a *primary* partition. Install 5 distros like *that*.
    Actually, it's QUITE easy:
    Note: I have a larger-than-normal (for ME) /boot partition (96 MB - and 64 would likely be adequate for 3 distros), but the reason is obvious, and IMX most people have /boot WAY too big, anyway. Right now I have 2 distros loaded (Arch 32- and 64-bit), current and former kernels are both retained for each distro - ie, 4 complete sets of kernels. My 96 MB partition is 32% full.
    For our multi-boot environment,  xdy1 ('sda1') is actually a large (60 GB or so) LVM volume. 'sda2' becomes the extended volume, and 'sda3' is the 40-80 GB /boot volume at the end of the drive. We have the entire extended partition to use *outside* LVM. I generally use a VERY large 'chunk' size in LVM (like 256 MB!), and try to set it up, roughly, as such (on a 250 GB = 236 GB drive):
    sda1 P LVM 64 GB
    sda2 E extended ?
    sda5 L logical ?
    sda4 P /ext2+++ 64 MB
    +++ there is ZERO reason to make a /boot partition ext3 and incur the substantial overhead of a 32 MB journal on a 60-100 MB filesytem! The system runs BEAUTIFULLY with boot mounted ro - that's my normal MO, in fact. I can always remount it rw on the rare occasions I need to update something.
    Rather than using dev-mapper's long naming conventions, I create a Volume Group called vg, and Logical volumes called, say, ar and ah and such:
    ah 4 GB # arch32 /home
    ar 8 GB # arch32 / (root)
    sw 1 GB # swap (shared)
    sd 3 GB # data partition shared between all O/S's on the machine (if desired...).
    br 8 GB # arch64 / (root)
    bh 4 GB # arch64 /home
    You can add more lv's to install additional O/S'es.
    You are NOT forced, in either fstab, GRUB, OR LILO, into using the 40-character-long "dev/dev-mapper/vg01/dm-01" syntax; from above, "dev/vg/at" works great, and reasonably resembles your other partition ID's. 
    Note that no matter HOW many O/S'es we install, we only use ONE /boot partition! I might have to go to a 128 MB or 256 MB partition. 
    While I normally have fstab mount /boot ro, it's easy, of course, to remount it rw on the fly. Since all distros SHARE the same /boot (normally only mounted ro by all concerned), if one distro borks it's grub entries or installs a REALLY crappy kernel, it's quite easy to get to the file in question from another O/S!
    I first installed Arch i686 on this machine (AMD64 XP3500+). I then created a directory at /boot/arch32. I copied (*copied*, NOT moved) all the loose files from the /boot directory (vm*, kern*, Sys* in arch's case) into the /boot/arch32 directory. I then update /boot/grub/menu.lst, replicating all it's primary entries as new options to select, with '/boot/vmlinuz26' becoming '/boot/arch32/linuz26', etc. These come BEFORE the original selections. I leave the loose files in /boot alone; they aren't hurting anything, and, who knows...
    Reboot choosing the 'normal' option (not 'safe'). If the system boots correctly, I leave the 'fall-back' option from the original Arch install as the LAST entry in grub (it's literally the 'last shot', anyway...). Theoretically, it should pick up these 'loose' files, were it to come to that.
    Now, whenever Arch updates the kernel, it (wisely) doesn't do a bunch of checking in /boot/grub/menu.lst or check what files are in /boot; it simply recompiles a full set of files and slaps them into /boot. All I have to do when there is the occasional kernel update is:
    cd /boot
    rm -rf arch32old
    mv arch32 arch32old
    mkdir arch32
    cp vm* kern* Sys* arch32/
    All is ready to go. The next boot will RUN the kernel from the /boot/arch32 directory.
    That's pretty quick-n-easy considering Kernel updates don't NORMALLY (cough cough) come out that often.
    One could even create GRUB entries for the arch32old (and arch64 old) kernels! (easily, basically cut-n-paste w/minor replacements/substitutions). You could have a GRUB menu that takes the entire screen!
    We can now install Arch x86_64, and any other distros that recognize LVM2 and play nice with other distros.
    One last thing I do: in the extended partition (preferably near the end of the drive) I set up 8 GB partitions as ext2, -b4096, -m0, -N16384 (-N65536?). I use these for the /var/cache/pacman in Arch, but other distros have similar (it not as ready for prime time!) arrangements and needs; the routine seems to wear well; I've had at least some of my now-system disk (250 GB) working like this for a good 3 years (including some REALLY substantial, solo, all-night Linux install parties!    ). My current x86_64 install, which is what I'm using now, is a fresh install, but it's not really any faster than a month's-old Arch32 install on the same computer.
    Sorry for the tome. It's my birthday and I'll write if I want to...
    Yes, I know this post is timestamped the day after, but I assure you I started this before midnight! 
    I have no intention of "graduating from" Arch i686. I fully intend to keep both on my system (at a MINIMUM) - if one install gets borked, you can get to it fairly easily from another install on the same machine (of something DIFFERENT - I make sure to update a new kernel to one system for a week before updating the other.
    A single /boot partition for a dozen distros, with a relatively easy (straight-forward, at least) and painless method for handling kernel updates from multiple distros on one machine....shared swapspace...shared storage...
    On the rare chance that someone (a) is still reading, and (b) feels this is a rational start of a Wiki page, I'm willing to maintain...
    Blue Skies...Keith/grndrush
    Last edited by grndrush (2009-01-05 05:30:51)

    Thanks to you both.
    As to the 1024 cylinder limit, again, I think there are very few remaining out there in operation (*I'll* never have one, LOL) with the 1024-cylinder problem, but I HAVE had a few problems with relatively recent (in 'my' terms, which means ancient) hardware where Linux doesn't want to boot using a *logical* partition for /boot - hence the homegrown workaround to get /boot at the end of the disk. You're 100% right - today, it's not worth the time or hassle of doing so. I simply thought like this since BEFORE the days of 20 MB HD's!  .
    Thanks again. Five years using Linux doesn't seem *nearly* as long as five years running Windows (although it DOES seem like a good 5 years since I've used Windows voluntarily). And, of course, these ARE faster machines... 

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