DVCPRO HD 720p24 Convert to SD

Need your help once again.
I just completed my first "HI DEF" edit.
All footage was DVCPRO HD 720P24 and edited in like sequence... all went fine and an DVCPRO HD master is complete.
Now the client wants a standard def version and I'm having a hard time getting an SD export that looks good.
I don't have access to an HD deck right now to attemp any downconvert that way so I've been playing with various exports and settings
I have tried exporting to Uncompressed 8bit for output to Betacam and I'm getting what look like heavy interlace issues on playback to NTSC monitor.
It's been a long day so I hope I'm just missing something simple in the export settings.
Any thoughts at this late hour would be a great help.
Thanks
rh

Well, not surprisingly, looks like OPERATOR ERROR once again.
As near as I can tell, I was exporting from Compressor with the wrong frame rate. Got that right and it looks much more better!
Thanks for tweeking my brain in that direction Michael.
And just a general thankyou to this board.
Most of the questions I ask here come down to something I've missed, but often I get to the point where I can't see the forest for the trees, (or sequence for the clips, or timecode for the numbers......) I can't tell you how often my searches here, or your answers have got me back on track.
Thanks
rh

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DVCPRO HD 720P24

So, I am shooting in DVCPRO HD 720P24 (Drop Frame) and need to output to DVCPRO 50 (Non Drop Frame).
My thoughts are, I will not remove the pull down, edit in a 720 60P sequence, then drop it into a DVCPRO 50 Drop Frame sequence. Is there any problem with that?

So, I am shooting in DVCPRO HD 720P24 (Drop Frame)
DVCPRO HD 720p24 is a NON-DROP format. DVCPRO 50 is typcially a drop frame format.
and need to output to DVCPRO 50 (Non Drop Frame)...edit in a 720 60P sequence, then drop it into a DVCPRO 50 Drop Frame sequence.
Sorry, a bit confused here. Which is it? Drop frame or non-drop DVCPRO 50 sequence you are looking for?
But there are no problems with editing DVCPRO HD and putting it into a DVCPRO 50 sequence for output. My suggestion is to export a Quicktime Movie (reference, not self contained) then import that and drop it into the DVCPRO 50 sequence, render then output.
Shane

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when using the DVCPRO HD framerate converter tool in FCP, is there a way to retain the original timecode? When I convert my footage, it writes all new timecode and was wondering if I'm missing something.
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Nope...all new timecode is created...because an all new clip is being created.
Why do you need to retain the original code?
Shane

Exporting DVCPRO HD 720p24 to MPEG4 how do I respect the ratio 16:9??

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I have to export a DVCPRO HD 720p24 project to an MPEG4, when I do it through compressor I play the QT after and it comes out as 4:3 and not the 16:9. Help????
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And if you don't like doing the math, use either of these utilites.
http://andrew.hedges.name/experiments/aspect_ratio/
or
http://www.wideopendoors.net/design/aspectratiocalculator.html
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DVCPro HD 720p24 to SD 29.97 and audio synch

this is my first time cutting dvcproHD 720p24 material. I captured via SDI and Aes over my Kona3. My audio and video appear to be in synch during capture but in my canvas and in the timeline are way off, like between 4 and10 seconds. I came out of an Aj-1200 deck and used an AES converter which connects the deck to I/O card for audio capture. Also, I am cutting in a native 720p24fps timeline, and in addition to HD output, needs to go to beta, SD 29.97fps NDF. My kona 3 does an awesome donconvert to SD but will It/I be able to edit to tape at 29.97 when I have cut in a 24fps timeline? Thanks.
jay

You mean between 3-10 FRAMES, right? Seconds would really worry me.
When I capture that format, I capture using firewire. I always get a 2 frame offset (audio leading video by two frames). I adjust on the timeline. Once I captured a tape using my powerbook and audio was off by 8 frames. Odd. But, I just adjusted it in post. No doubt it is the AES converter that is causing the offset. Why did you use that? Audio is carried in the HD SDI signal. And there is NO offset doing it that way.
Yes, you will be able to edit to tape at 29.97 NDF from a 720p timeline with the Kona 3.
Shane

Recipe for DVCPRO HD 16x9 convert to MiniDV Letterboxed

Hi everyone,
Can you please help me figure out the recipe to convert DVCPRO HD 16x9 to MiniDV Letterboxed?
I can never get it to look right after many tests.
Also, what's the recipe for converting the same thing to a DV file that I can load into iMovie and still have the 16x9 letterboxed in the 1:33 of my miniDV?
Thanks so much!!!
Kirk

Create a NTSC DV sequence with the same timebase as your DVCProHD sequence (probably 23.98). Nest the DVCProHD sequence. Render.
When you print the DV sequence to tape, FCP will automatically add the pulldown to 29.97 on the way out the firewire.

Shane's DV - DVCPRO HD 720p24 Compressor droplet

Tried it with a DV NTSC clip. Nice, but it gave me an anamorphic 960x720, not a 1280x720 like the tutorial said. How do I get it to 1280x720? And how much top & bottom cropping should I do for a DV PAL clip?

Unless I'm mistaken (and I often am), comparing 16:9 and 4:3 - let's say we multiply by 4, so the width is the same - that gives 16:9 and 16:12 so our crop would have to remove 12-9 / 12 or 3/12 or 1/4.
So, whatever the height of a 4:3 frame, divide it by 4 to get the total crop (or by 8 to get the amount to crop from top and bottom) to get a 16:9 aspect.
Someone wanna check my math there? This was all in my head...
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Convert 29.97 to 23.98 timebase DVCPRO HD 720P 59.94

Hi, I shot a music video on the HVX-200 with a setting of 720p60 (59.94) and a framerate of 23.98. However one of my shots was set shot erroneously at 720p30 (29.97). When I play it back, the shot stutters as the camera was booming down. I can't use the DVCPRO Frame Rate Converter as it gives me an error message of only being able to convert clips shot at 59.94.
Any ideas how to convert this?
Thanks!

DON'T use CInema Tools and CONFORM. That will slow the shot down...in a destructive manner. Meaning that it will alter the clip and you can't go back. You'd have to reimport.
Try Compressor. Advanced Conversion. Make sure you make all the settings as BEST.
Also try Nattress.com, Standards Converter (demo available). This does a decent job.
Shane

720p24 to 1080i60 - best workflow?

Hello all - long time no type...
I have a long-form program that has been edited in DVCPRO HD 720p24 (23.98). I am getting ready to master this thing to D5. I have access to a Blackmagic Multibridge Eclipse, as well as a Decklink Extreme HD, and an Io HD. The deck is the Panasonic AJ-HD3700A.
I have heard that the most common standard for broadcast HD is 1080i60 HDCAM. My question is whether it's better to master in the program's native format at 720p24, or to try and upconvert to 1080i60 as I output. Some more specific questions:
If outputting to 720p24, is it better to use 24pN?
If upconverting at output, my thought is that the multibridge eclipse will be the most versatile and robust device for this, but how does the pulldown insertion get handled in this kind of workflow?
If I output to 720p24 and we want a 1080i60 dub made later, is this the kind of thing that can be done simply at a dub house without having to re-output from FCP?
If I master to Panasonic D5, will I still need a dub made if a station needs HDCAM?
Any expertise would be appreciated. Thanks.

You have the I/O HD...simply cross convert 720p to 1080i when you output. That device can do that...I believe.
If outputting to 720p24, is it better to use 24pN?
Doesn't matter. What are your SEQUENCE settings. That is what you will be outputting. If your sequence settings are 23.98, then that is what you will be outputting.
If upconverting at output, my thought is that the multibridge eclipse will be the most versatile and robust device for this, but how does the pulldown insertion get handled in this kind of workflow?
Sorry, the Eclipse does not cross convert 720p to 1080i...not even the Eclipse. This is why I stick with AJA Konas. I almost bought the Multibridge Pro until I learned this fact.
If I output to 720p24 and we want a 1080i60 dub made later, is this the kind of thing that can be done simply at a dub house without having to re-output from FCP?
Yes, but why do that? Just cross convert as you output. One tape...done. But if you do this, bear in mind that you need to find a place that has a Terranex to do this cross convert.
If I master to Panasonic D5, will I still need a dub made if a station needs HDCAM?
Of course. If you hand them a tape they can't air they will smack you on the head with the tape. You must deliver what the network requires.
Are you in the LA area? Contact Terry Curren at Alpha Dog in Burbank. Their "digital service station" is designed to take a file and output it to tape. And they have the Kona 3 that can do the cross convert....and handle the pulldown.
Shane

Workflow Question: 24p (Varicam) Masters, 29.97 down converts for offline

I know in part this question has been raised here before, and I know the Cinema Tools method for getting back to 24p... but I would like to discuss briefly the pending workflow on a project I am about to begin with someone who has tackled this before.
I am cutting a feature, shot on Varicam at 24p. The film has already been rough cut in FCP and I am inheriting the project to re-work the rough cut and "on-line" finish the film. The initial editor did not reverse telecine the clips before cutting, so all the clips and the timeline are in 29.97. I know I could finish the off-line using the DV footage, then reverse telecine the EDL to on-line back to the 24p HD masters, but there are a few other issues.
First, there is over 19 hours of original scenes that currently make up a 2 hr rough cut. This cut needs a pretty extensive re-edit before it's ready for the sound designer to step in, maybe 2-4 weeks of work. The FCP project has not been broken down by scenes, just master clips for each reel (yikes!). I am not confident in the audio that is on these DV tapes and I would prefer to work with the original HD source to finish the job, as the audio editing will fall mostly to me to accomplish. This project will also need extensive color timing as well. From a general workflow standpoint, I feel that if I had all the HD loaded, and re-organized by scene that I could work more efficiently to finish all the aspect of this film.
So the nuts and bolts of my question is this. Can I convert both the timeline AND the already logged master clips to 24p so that I can load in the HD as whole reel clips as they currently are logged and refer back to the timeline? I want to work from the existing timeline, but also have ALL the footage loaded in as HD 24p so I can sub clip by scene and rework the cut.
Thanks in advance.

HD isn't as simple as SD...not by a long shot. With SD, we captured offline at 29.97, and then onlined at 29.97. The biggest thing to worry about was that our shoot masters were 29.97 NDF but stock footage was 29.97DF, and that tended to mess up EDLs for the online.
But then comes HD. 720p...1080i...1080p. 23.98, 24, 29.97, 59.94. So many options...things got really complex. Now with HD you really need to know what your deliverable is...even before you shoot. Because everything is geared toward getting that final master. You CAN proceed without knowing that, but then getting the proper master will require more hoop jumping. So, at this point, you need to figure out what you want to deliver and work towards that. 1080 23.98psf HDCAM? 720p 59.94 D5? 1080i 29.97 HDCAM? You have to figure this out.
Editing 24p footage from the Varicam (which translates to 23.98) at 29.97 DV was a poor choice. DVCPRO HD 720p24 isn't even twice the file size of DV. DV is 3.6MB/s, and DVCPRO HD 720p24 is 5.4MB/s...so editing native would have been the wise choice. But that is moot. Moving on.
When I edited a 16mm film...shot on 16mm, telecined to HDCAM at 23.98...I captured DV downconverts that ran at 29.97. I asked the post facility doing the online if I should do it at 29.97, or should I reverse telecine to 23.98...they said stick with 29.97, so I did. Then we changed post facilities and they said I really should have been editing at 23.98...because I have now made the online rather tricky. But this is what they had me do. Export an EDL of the 29.97 timeline. Use Cinema Tools to convert that from a 30fps EDL to a 24fps EDL. Then give them this and the final project. They were able to rebuild the cut, with some issues where I had speed changes, but they did it.
So what you need to do now, is find the place that will be doing the online, and get someone there to get this thing where it needs to be. It isn't as simple as recapturing at 29.97 or 59.94. The footage was shot at 59.94, but with flags set to make it 23.98 when captured. If you had a Kona or Decklink capture card, you could capture it at 59.94, but that format won't match up with the 29.97 EDL...different time base. And you cannot capture 59.94 as 29.97...not unless the footag was flagged in the camera as 720p30.
This is a very complex situation and I have barely scratched the surface. THis is why you need help from an HD expert, preferrably someone from the post facility where you will be doing the online.
Shane

Uprezing 720p24 to 1080p24

Hi Guys,
Was just wondering about the issue. If I were to get my DVCPro HD 720p24 footage uprezzed to 1080p using the Kona3, would I have to first uprez my 720p24 (960x720) to 'standard 720p' which is (1280x720) before uprezzing to the 1080p24 final output?
Your help would be very much appreciated!
James

Create them at 720p24 and let the Kona uprez. If you created them at 1080p and dropped them into the 720p sequence, you'd be force to render and that would reduce the quality down to 720p.
If you need your graphics to be 1080p, then you'll have to up-convert the rest of your footage by dropping it into a 1080p timeline and rendering, then outputting...instead of letting the Kona cross convert.
Shane

DVCPRO-HD on MBP ?

Hi,
I usually work on the fcp system where I work. I have a mbp and I am going to be cutting a piece being shot on the panasonic HDX900 in DVCPRO-HD, 720p24. We will rent the AJ1400 to digitize. I am wondering if my mbp will be able to handle the DvcPro Hd, an external monitor and a client monitor.
It was recommended to me to use a Canopus external AV converter for the client monitor hookup.
Only hooking up the client monitor after digitizing and unhooking the deck.
Also would like recommendations for the PCI card and external drive for media. I have a G tech 500gig drive with 300 gig free. Could be as much as 10 hours of ftg.
What do you think, can my mbp handle it, or am I pipe dreaming?
Thank you so much for your time!

I edit DVCPRO HD on my Powerbook G4...so your MBP is more than adequate. But you cannot use that Canopus box...that works for DV only. You need a device capable of outputting an HD signal. Now, you can connect an external monitor via the extra DVI port you have, that takes care of your monitor, but for client monitoring, you need something like the AJA I/O HD, or Matrox MXO, or MOTU V3HD. The cheapest option of the three is the MXO, as it is output only. But the great thing about it is the ability for it to turn an Apple 23" display into a color correction monitor. Or, you can route a monitor thru this as a computer monitor, and then connect an HD client monitor to it via component or with a DVI to HDMI converter.
The AJA I/O HD is great because it injests and outputs.
You can use a firewire 800 drive for the media, like a G-Raid (G-Tech) or FirewireVR (Caldigit). But I prefer the eSATA Raid from Caldigit, S2VR Duo. And it connects to the MBP via an express34 connector, which Caldigit also makes.
DVCPRO HD is a very easy codec to deal with. Amazingly so.
Shane

Downconverting DVCPRO HD to DVCPRO 50

Hello all,
I searched the forums on this broad issue but no posts seemed to discuss my specific prob.
I shot on the HVX-200 in 24PN and began downconverting my imported footage (DVCPRO HD 720PN 24fps) to DV50 23.98. I noticed that media manager could do the job fine but the one issue was the slight aliasing that would occur in the newly downcoverted DV50 23.98 quicktime. It's not even that bad (i.e. It looks less aliased than when you de-interlace an interlaced clip, but it doesn't look right, none the less). I tried downcoverting it several times, experimented with selecting interlaced and progressive settings, among everything else I could think of but the could not figure out the aliasing issue. Then I tried exporting from the Viewer (with the HD clip open in it), no change. Finally I placed the DVCPRO HD clip in a matching sequence (DVCPRO HD - 720p24) and it FINALLY downconverted to a DV50 23.98 quicktime WITHOUT the subtle aliasing.
I had an online editor check it out to see if I was crazy and the only explanation at the time he could think of is the issue was connected to the simple fact that FCP is best described as "field based" and only when the clip was exported from within its matching sequence would it downconvert without the aliasing issue.
The frustrating thing about this is I'd have to manually downcovert every single clip from the timeline, or dump them ALL into a timeline and downconvert, THEN bring in that newly DV50 23.98 downcoverted clip and start subclipping just to get all my footage seperated into clips again.
And no, laying all that footage to tape isn't an option. Shouldn't have to be since I can successfully downconvert, but just can't do a batch process.
Does this all boil down to Media Manager's "recompress" is not technically the same thing as "downconverting" and doesn't guarantee perfect results?

Hey Jx,
For production purposes, there are features in camera such as the varicam overcrank/undercrank ability and others as well that I wanted to take advantage of (I believe 24pNative is only available in HD mode as well, which mainly I just used for it's smaller file size as I was using P2 cards). And the use of P2 cards, eliminating capturing.
For post production purposes, I wanted to be able to deliver my show (a music video) HD down the road and deliver SD for the time being. Plus, I do all the VFX shots with the HD clips for the reason of just working in higher res (cleaner, easier compositing), plus I then have the ability to reframe (i.e. rescale shots) with the HD clips at their 960x720 frame size down to NTSC's 720x480. E.G. I wanna zoom in 20% to crop out a boom mic, etc. I can do it with (essentially) no quality loss.
That's all I can think of at the moment. Hope you buy some of these reasons cuz they were advantages for me. Also, I can't technically explain it but common belief seems to be the downconverted (from HD) DVCPRO 50 shot will look better than the in-camera DVCPRO 50 shot. That statement might be false "a priori" but it wouldn't be the first time I say something foolish. Thanks for posting.

Question about outputting DVCPRO HD to MiniDV Tape

Hi There,
I have a DVCPRO HD 720p24 project that I need to output onto MiniDV and I have a few questions. I am running FCS2 with the latest updates.
1) I have an older sony camera (DCR-PC100) that I am outputting to. I would like to maintain my 16x9 aspect ratio. Provided I have selected anamorphic in my sequence settings, will my camera record a 720x480 image with the aspect ration intact? The camera is just a 4:3 consumer camera and it's a bit older. Just don't want to lose any quality.
2) As it states in my signature, I'm working on a MBP so my only video output for coloring monitoring and that type of thing is through firewire and out of my camera. This doesn't work correctly from my native 720p24 sequence - it just sticks on one frame. I am already in the process of rebuilding a 720x480 NTSC sequence. Is this the only way I can output properly to a monitor?
Thank you for reading my post

Hi Spiff,
Well I mainly assumed so because the most practicle way to screen a selection of films in one session at a short film festival is to compile a tape with all the films set to one ratio (usually 4:3)and I thought you were specifically asked to send a tape.
However it would be wise indeed to call them.
Some festivals use/compile miniDV or DVDs some others BetaSP or DigiBeta.
With regard to transferring the film onto your PC 100 (Mighty PC 100! It was very popular 4-5 years ago amongst domestic camcorders, so popular that Sony put a PC 12O in the market with enahanced features) providing it works fine, then you will be fine to use it. Renting a deck or using a pro camera with miniDV capability will not improve the quality of your video.
If your anamorphic version looks fine then lay that one on the tape.
Try to use Panasonic pro master 63 minutes miniDV tapes. THey are white tapes.
Good luck with the festival!
G

Can Quicktime Pro 7 play dvcpro hd files?

I have a Macbook Pro os x 10.5.7.
I have Quicktime Pro player 7.6.2
I have been trying to play .mov files that are dvcpro hd files converted from Final Cut. Sound only, no video. A window pops up when I go to play the file that says, "Additional software is required to play this media. It may be available from the quicktime components page." But of course it doesn't say what and on that page I couldn't find anything that seemed to manage this issue.
After all my research I learned that I may not be able to play those files without Final Cut, however, I just played them on my brothers macbook pro, etc (same deal as my machine) and they played. The only difference was in his Quicktime preferences there was a reference to Final Cut color at the bottom of the box. He doesn't have Final cut on his machine and we have the same version Quicktime.
So, is there a codec or something I'm missing to get these files to play? Please help...been searching for an answer for hours to no avail and I really need to get into these files.
thanks
C

That's always an option and I've thought about it but my brother's computer is not always available (like now as he has left the premises with it) and I really want to try to work out this kink. Sorry, I didn't say that I actually need to edit these videos and I don't want to lose quality either by converting them to something that may not have the hd great quality they have now.
He does not have FCP and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have Color either. And I found out that he actually has an older operating system than me. Any other suggestions?
Thanks...really appreciate your time!
C

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