Edit Color settings (Bridge/InDesign)

Hi all, today in office we have a discussion about Edit > Color settings (we use this setting from Bridge for syncro).
The question is: if i change Color settings (es. i change the rgb or cmyk working space) from InDesign i change only the swatches color? Is this correct? Because the graphic imported can (or not) maintain their color profile. What is wrong?
Many thanks!

Edit > Color settings (we use this setting from Bridge for syncro).
Color Settings is an application preference—you are setting the color preferences for new documents. So changing the Working Spaces in Color Settings will only affect existing documents if they have no color profile assigned (i.e., the Color Management Policies were set to Off when the document was created). If you want to change a document's profile you have to do it via Edit > Assign or Convert to Profile...
1) if i draw a frame filled cyan swatch, this color have the profile color that i set in the color settings?
All native colors are assigned the document's profile (see Edit > Assign profiles...). The assigned profile isn't necessarily the same as the current Color Setting's working space
2) if i import graphic with or without icc profile the assignment will be only when i export pdf, is it correct?
If an imported CMYK graphic has no profile embedded, or the document's CMYK policy is Off or Preserve Numbers (Ignore Linked Profiles), it will be assigned the document's profile.
When you export a PDF, the Output settings tab determines whether colors will be converted or profiles will be included.

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Hi; now I could solve the problem for me. I had to remove my Photoshop10 color profile from Mac/Users/.../Library/Application%20Support/Adobe/Color/Settings/ because it must have been corrupted by other CS3 applications (Illu13, Indy5 etc.). Then I created a new color profile there using 'Photoshop10 > Edit > Color Settings', and to be sure I created for each CS3 app a separate one (I named it ColSetPhotoshop, ColSetIllustrator, ColSetIndesign etc.) and selected it in each app, so that those corruptions cannot occur in the future. NEVERTHELESS: ADOBE SHOULD AVOID THOSE INSECURITIES IN THEIR PRODUCTS!
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Mike Kazlow - 7:26pm Apr 2, 08 PST (#30 of 56)
Could be a corrupt preference file or corrupt job options file.
Mike
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vincent rousseau - 9:59am Apr 3, 08 PST (#32 of 56)
"My Distiller crashes every time I hit the color tab in the edit Adobe pdf settings menu.....any ideas what that might be? "
Do not use any other colour parameters than those made with Adobe photoshop or those which are pre-installed.
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Remove all personal colour parameters (User > Library > Application Support > Adobe > Color > Settings) except those made with Photoshop.

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I’m afraid you might be misunderstand some things.
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Let's say I'm going to export a PNG.
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Color management needs to be set up in a way that it works as you want it to. Don't turn it off.
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The settings in Edit > Colour Settings have, in my opinion, misleading titles. You need to read carefully the small print that appears at the bottom of the Window which describes what each does.
b No Colour Management......
this is the obvious one. Elements performs no colour management and so you'll see your images just as if you where using any other Non-Colour Managed program...for example IE7. It also means that new documents you create from scratch will have your Monitor Profile associated with them which is not very useful.
b Optimise for Screen and Optimise for Print......
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Good day!
I might have done a more thorough search, but as we use Indesign in a non-english version I may have problems there anyway, so if the issue has been addressed previously could someone please point me to a pertinent thread?
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A customer provided indd-files and we populated it with rgb-images of various spaces (ECI RGB v2, which is our RGB working space, and Adobe RGB) and exported x-1a pdfs.
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Thanks a lot.
Exporting an idml did not do the trick for me.
»if you enable the mismatch warnings (and I think you should), you are prompted and given the opportunity to overide the embedded policy.«
I usually have those turned off to be able to have the programm open multiple files of different spaces un-attended.
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