Exporting HDV 1080i to DVD

I tried exporting 1080i video using Quick Time Conversion and setting it to DVCPRO50 - NTSC to create a DVD. The DVD video looks very pixilated and jagged on a Standard Def screen. I tried using compressor and it looks the same. How can I export these videos so that they look right?
Vince

Vince,
Try searching for the 'Bonsai' method - gives excellent results from HDV.
Basically you drop your complete HDV sequence onto a DV50 Anamorphic timeline but before you do this set your Video Processing_Motion filtering Quality to Fastest (Linear) - you'll find this tab under sequence settings.
It'll obviously need rendering (although it will render when you export) but you then export to Compressor on your chosen DVD settings - I have a custom setting based on the length of my piece calculated by a bitrate calculator.
This method gives the best results going from HDV to SD and will work with DVCPro HD although you don't have to change the video processing settings, infact don't because it causes fine lines to flicker.
PS Bonsai is a person and has a website on this.

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right now I'm doing an animation in AE CS4 with som HDV 1080i footage (1440x1080)
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When pressing command+I on the file in Finder it tells me, the file is 1440x1080 (as it is supposed to be)
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should be right.
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I don't get it - it comes into AE as HDV 1440x1080 16:9 and leaves it being HDV 1440x1080 4:3 (?!)
Also tried to check "stretching" in the render adjustments and uncheck "remain 4:3 ratio" there...
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Hey Martin.
You're welcome.
It all has to do with PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio).
HDV (1080 flavor) has a non-square pixel shape (PAR = 1.33) that gets "stretched out" when flagged appropriately (and interpreted appropriately - this is why FCP understood, and displayed it as 16:9).
Standard HDTV has a square PAR (PAR = 1).
When your HDV comp was nested in an HDTV comp, it interpreted your non-square material, stretching it back out to display as you would expect it to look.
Possibly unbeknownst to you, when you were viewing your HDV comp, PAR correction was toggled on (little button at the bottom of your Comp Viewer Pane that looks like a little rectangle with double arrows above it) in your comp that was allowing you to preview the composition in a 16:9 aspect ratio, while the material was still using a 1.33 PAR.
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Errors trying to export HDV to Camera, DVD-R, DV Cam

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I have a festival in 2 days and need to get my movie off my mac on to the best possible format, preferably all on one tape (read below):
I'm editing on a 24" imac with Final Cut Pro. I'm trying to output my movie for a festival in two days, but having issues - can anyone help?
1) When I output to my Sony Camcorder HDR-FX1, the movie looks great, just like how I recorded. Problem #1 is movie is nearly 2 hrs long and HDV tapes only go up to 85 mins. Problem #2 - when I play the tapes (recorded from print to video back to the camcorder) direct to a TV or projector, the video looks great - just how I want it. But, when I am doing the print to video when it passes thru the camera to a DVD-R, the blacks flatten and there is a shimmering in the image. It only plays back with the blacks as they should be if I play what I recorded from the camcorder to the dvd-r; if I let the signal pass thru, the black's flatten (in the end, I may have to create a black spot and off to the DVD in two parts)
2) I have a DV Cam deck, but no matter what setting I try, when I try to output the HDV single from FCP thru the firewire, it will only play on the desktop, it won't export to the deck. Any suggestions here, as I can connect the deck directly via firewire and get all 2 hours on there. I am, as I type this, printing to video to the camera, then from svideo to the DV Cam deck, then RCA to a DVd-R for back up. On the camera monitor, image looks great. On the monitor that follows the DVD-R, blacks are slightly flat and shimmering can be seen, esp in scenes that have orange color in them. I am not sure how the DV cam will look until all done in about 100 more mins...
If worst comes to worst, I'll run the showing from the camcorder and do a tape switch 30 mins or so in to the movie, but I'd rather not interrupt the showing, even if brief. I'd rather output from FCP direct to the DV Cam deck, or secondly, the DVD-R.
I can't even record on an LP mini DV on the camcorder, FCP won't export the sequence to Mini DV for some reason, and I have tried many scenerios...
I am also going to try making a quicktime at 720x440 and making a DVD via idvd, hoping the quality holds up. In the past I had made a sample DVD with the 1440x1080 clips and they played great outside of some vertical lines that you could see in some darker spots. But trying to make a DVD since has created that shimmering, and a friend suggested making it 720x440.
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you can use compressor to encode your HDV footage.
believe it or not, you can obtain stunning results when you encode and output to DVD.
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what type of footage, overall, would you say you have (fast action paced, slow action, interviews)?
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HDV 1080i to Standard def DVD "Ken Stone" method- interlace problems, help!

Greetings,
I am on a tight deadline to produce a standard def DVD for an art exhibit, from HDV material that was imported and edited natively in FCP 7 as 1080i. I used the "Ken Stone" method of exporting the 10 minute sequence using QT conversion, as a pro res 422 HQ quicktime movie, then I took it into compressor 3.5 to make a Mpeg-2 file for a standard def DVD.
The problem is that the video that came out of compressor, when simulated in DVD SP 3.5 (and also when burned on DVD) has weird "interlaced" looking edges whenever there is movement in the video. It is a figure against a black background, and whenever the figure moves back and forth against the black background, the edges of the figure show interlaced-looking lines. The rest of the video where there is slow movement looks fine. BTW, motion was set to "Best" in compressor.
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exporting the 10 minute sequence using QT conversion, as a pro res 422 HQ quicktime movie...
You are adding an unneeded compression cycle for a start. Export with QuickTime Conversion always recompresses your footage, even when you use the same settings as your Timeline.
Export to QuickTime with Current Settings, Self Contained will give you a Master file that is identical to what you edited.
weird "interlaced" looking edges whenever there is movement in the video...
If your source material is interlaced it will look odd on a computer monitor. It will display correctly on a TV set.
having to do with de-interlacing, or something I have missed?
Deinterlacing will throw away half of the vertical resolution. Bye bye HD. No good can come of that, right?
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let me see if I can help out a little here.
The problem with converting 1080i to SD in software is that FCP seems to do a not-very-good job of downsampling the image, particularly when you are going directly to DV. Details get blurry, and other compression artifacts become quite noticeable. I have also experienced trouble with the HDV fields not getting processed correctly if I go to SD mpeg directly from an HDV timeline or movie file.
Your best bet is one of the following workflows:
Export a 1080i HDV or AIC movie file and re-import to FCP. Place this clip into an anamorphic SD sequence. It doesn't matter if the sequence is DV or Uncompressed if you send the sequence directly to Compressor from FCP, because this will ignore any rendered material and use an uncompressed image buffer as it encodes the mpeg. Do not letterbox your widescreen video if you are going to DVD - widescreen DVD video should always be full-frame anamorphic.
Your other option is to attempt to use Compressor to down-res the sequence or a self-contained movie of your HDV, starting with one of the advnace format conversion presets in Compressor. However, you'll have to cutstomize the preset by turning on the frame controls, and testing the settings to make sure you are happy with the result. Turning on frame controls will increase the ratio of your encoding time anywhere from 4 to 20:1.
I have tried all of these methods, and none of them look as good as capturing the downconverted video from the deck after mastering to HDV tape.
Hope this helps -
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I created a DVD from HDV material using these settings with compressor:
http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/bkhdvconvert.html
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let me see if I can help out a little here.
The problem with converting 1080i to SD in software is that FCP seems to do a not-very-good job of downsampling the image, particularly when you are going directly to DV. Details get blurry, and other compression artifacts become quite noticeable. I have also experienced trouble with the HDV fields not getting processed correctly if I go to SD mpeg directly from an HDV timeline or movie file.
Your best bet is one of the following workflows:
Export a 1080i HDV or AIC movie file and re-import to FCP. Place this clip into an anamorphic SD sequence. It doesn't matter if the sequence is DV or Uncompressed if you send the sequence directly to Compressor from FCP, because this will ignore any rendered material and use an uncompressed image buffer as it encodes the mpeg. Do not letterbox your widescreen video if you are going to DVD - widescreen DVD video should always be full-frame anamorphic.
Your other option is to attempt to use Compressor to down-res the sequence or a self-contained movie of your HDV, starting with one of the advnace format conversion presets in Compressor. However, you'll have to cutstomize the preset by turning on the frame controls, and testing the settings to make sure you are happy with the result. Turning on frame controls will increase the ratio of your encoding time anywhere from 4 to 20:1.
I have tried all of these methods, and none of them look as good as capturing the downconverted video from the deck after mastering to HDV tape.
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Putting a HDV video onto DVD to watch on a TV.

I filmed some friends performing at a pub. My camera is a Sony HDR-HC9 and I set it to HDV 1080i.
To edit I have an iMac, Intel Core i3, Mem 4GB, ATI Radeon HD 5670, 1TB HDD and I have FCP7.
I used DVD Studio Pro4 to copy it onto a DVD, 7 times, but I can not get the right configuration so that it plays on the TV. What an I doing wrong?

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hi can anybody help,
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*** HDV to SD DVD

I've been following the post below for a while now in order to take HDV footage to a SD DVD more quickly but I'm running into problems. The post basically calls to create a DVCPRO 50 anamorphic sequence, and drop the HDV sequence into it (nest it). Sometimes this works, but sometimes the HDV sequence I'm dropping in doesn't resize itself like it's supposed to. It is really inconsistent. Just exporting from the timeline directly to compressor to make DVDs is quality I'm happing with, but it takes about 60 hours to convert a 1 hour film. Can anyone either explain why this may be happening and/or pass along some links to a better (and faster) workflow for going from HDV to SD DVD?
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My new HDV to SD workflow is as follows:
Capture and edit Native HDV in FCP 5.0.4 or later.
Create a DV50 timeline (DVCPRO 50) 4:3 or 16:9 (Anamorphic)
Set the Field Dominance to Upper (Odd)
Set the Video Processing - Motion Filtering Quality to Fastest (Linear)
Drop the HDV onto the DV50 timeline, it will scale / letterbox correctly, you can alter the scale and pan it to your liking on the DV50 timeline.
Export the DV50 as a quicktime movie.
This will be fairly quick, because there are no filters required for the field dominance upper, as it matches the HDV - we will let compressor switch the fields instead. However, because of this, firewire preview will have the wrong interlacing, and appear jerky on movement. You can DV (DV25) preview DV50 rendered timelines, it seems to convert on the fly.
Drop the exported DV50 movie into compressor.
Don't add any conversion settings yet, click on the DV50 line, and bring up the inspector window, change the Native Field Dominance to be Upper - same as was in the timeline.
Now add some DVD conversions, match 16:9 conversions with DV50 Anamorphic movies, and 4:3 with regular DV50. Use the 2 pass setting. Because we set the Native Field Dominance to Upper, the MPEG-2 videos will have their Field Dominance set to Top First - this is correct.
Submit.
Timings: (1 min 56 sec timeline) on 1.5 GHz G4
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Create 2 pass MPEG-2 from DV50 - 30 minutes
Total time, for 1 min 56 sec of HDV to DVD, 40 minutes on 1.5GHz G4
Previous time, going from the timeline via compressor was 68 minutes.
Create DVD's from those assets, they seem to be the best quality possible in the fastest turnaround time, and using DV50 as an intermediate seems to remove the darkening problems of None, has a colour-space that matches the final MPEG - unlike DV (DV25), and does not require too much HD space. It also creates the MPEG quite quickly too, because the DV50 decode is pretty fast.
If this set-up works for you, and improves things over what you are currently doing, let me know. If it does not, let me know why not! If you think there is a better quality method, share it!
Now, over to you guys, I need some feedback and some advice from the pro's:
With the Upper (Odd) / Top First Field Dominance, from FCP through to Compressor, a lot of time is saved when making the DV50 movie, because it does not need a shift fields filter, BUT, will there be problems with a MPEG-2 that has Top First field dominance on certain DVD players ? It seems to work on the players I have tested. It is possible to do the Lower (Even), Shift Fields +1 filter and Bottom First MPEG workflow, but it is quite a bit slower, although it does preview over firewire on DV properly. Any thoughts from someone who knows this stuff better than me - is the end result the same, or am I relying on the DVD player handling the MPEG properly ?
All thoughts welcome.
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I had a lower quality export of a HDV sequence, to an HDV quicktime movie. I have tried all evening to track it down, and post, definitively what it was, but I am at a loss. I can't reproduce it. I thought it was to do with conformed vs. un-conformed timelines, but they now seem to produce the same result.
Well, this is interesting anyway, Choosing Sequence -> Render All -> Both (and make sure everything is ticked), you will get a long Conforming HDV Video step. Now Print to Video won't repeat the (first) Conform, and happens quicker, and exporting the movie happens a lot faster too. Make sure you have filled any gaps with slugs, gaps will slow things down, even after the conform.
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1 min 56 sec timeline, about 14 cuts only HDV edits, just a rough cut.
1.5GHz Powerbook G4.
Save HDV from unconformed timeline: 10 minutes
Conform Timeline: 8 minutes
Save HDV from conformed timeline: 1 minute
Weird, huh ? Why doesn't it just conform, then export ?
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