Exporting RAW masters of RAW-JPEG Pairs

Is there any way to export only the RAW master of a RAW-JPEG pair? I always shoot both RAW and JPEG. In my workflow, I first import into Aperture the JPEG's. I then group into stacks, choose my stack picks, and finally rate all my stack picks. I then will go back and only import those RAW files which match my stack picks. Occasionally, I would like to edit my RAW files outside of Aperture using Capture NX2 and would like to export only those RAW files. Exporting a "version" only allows to export a JPEG/TIFF or other file. Exporting "masters" exports both master files, the JPEG and the RAW. Is there a way to only export the RAW master?
Thanks for your advice.

I'm frustating about how Aperture give RAW+jpg pairs and once imported is not easy to select one of the two files depending on the case. I read recently a good solution, you can import Both as masters(RAW and JPG) and select AutoStack(⌥⌘A)
with a short time span (0:02) and Aperture will import the two masters of each photo, and later you'll be free to use one of them. And you can reject manually all the RAWs that you don't want to store.

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Problems exporting RAW + JPEG Pairs

I have imported my images as RAW + JPEG Pairs (JPEG is Master)
When I try to export originals, there are two problems:
1. Aperture exports both the JPEG and the RAW file. Is there anyway to force it to export just the file that is set as the master (in this case, the JPEG)?
2. More problematic--the RAW files are exported in the correct orientation, but the JPEG files that have been shot in portrait orientation are rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Is there anyway to prevent this?
Thanks in advance for your help
Gordon

There's an easier way:
Open the Aperture library contents (ctrl-click, select "show pkg contents"), and navigate to masters/year/month/day/downloads, and delete the raw file(s).
You can view by kind, and delete all the raw files in a project this way; just make sure you haven't assigned any of the raw files as master.
So far, I have not observed any adverse effects to the Aperture database, but they may be coming. I always archive all the files off-line before importing to Aperture, no nothing is completely irreversible.
It would still be nice, as another poster said somewhere, to render a raw file as a new jpg master, and then delete the raw, but I use raws so rarely, that deleting the ones I don't use gives me 90% of the disk savings.

"Error while relocating" after deleting RAW from RAW+JPEG pairs (Important FYI)

This is not a question, but something I recently discovered that I think will be important for the Aperture community.
Not too long ago, I asked a question about how to remove the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs. The concensus was that it couldn't be done through Aperture, but that one could delete them through the Finder. The answer I got (and that has popped up in other threads on similar topics) was "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect." I don't think any response along these lines has been able to point to a specific problem that can arise from such a "hack." Well, I found one today...
It appears that if a user uses Finder to "break" RAW+JPEG pairs by deleting the RAW file and leaving the JPEG (and I assume this goes for deleting the reverse), Aperture will NOT be able to "Relocate Originals..." Instead, "Aperture will return the error: Error while relocating (File not Found): "(null)". I ran into this error the other day while trying to change my file structure by relocating all files. I regularly ran into this error, and it was only after some extensive that I was able to narrow it down 100% of the time to the RAW+JPEG pairs I had "broken." I haven't encounterd any other adverse behavior from "breaking" these file pairings, but this one, at least, could be serious.
So, for future reference, I think the response by the Aperture community when someone asks "How do I delete the RAW file from RAW+JPEG" pairs, should be "Use Finder if you must, but please note Aperture will not be able to 'Relocate Originals..
PS This should NOT be understood as a criticism of those who have responded to this question in the past. There's obviously no way to know about these little quirks until one of us stumbles across them. I hope this information will be helpful going forward, both as a caution when deleting one of the pair, and as a possible answer for the "Error while relocating" message.
PPS I don't think I ran across an explanation for this when I originally searched for the error message bolded above.
If someone has already provided this information, my apologies.

Frank Caggiano wrote:
Interesting the last post before this one you posted was back in May 2011 Removing RAW, keeping JPG?
Thanks for that thread. That helps jog ye olde memory. As such, I would edit my original thread to read "The concensus I gathered from researching multiple responses to questions similar to mine was that it couldn't be done through Aperture*, but that it was possible from Finder though highly inadvisable." I won't bother recreating my research at the time (not even sure I could, since it was more than two years ago), but suffice it to say that the thread you've linked was not my sole encounter with this problem. I do appreciate that you've reminded me that this was not something I had done solely through numerous posts on Apple Discussions. I imagine I likely spent time reading multiple posts here and elsewhere, uncovering the concensus (which i think is still a fair term) that it could not be done through Aperture*, could be through Finder, but was inadvisable.
*This is still accurate, afaik. You cannot delete the pair from a RAW+JPEG pair in Aperture. Exporting, then deleting in Finder, then reimporting is still not something "done in [entirely] Aperture."
Frank Caggiano wrote:
No one actually told you to delete anyting in in the Finder you came up with this yourself as your own solution
This comes from the critical mistake on my part of not making clear that I was paraphrasing multiple responses rather than saying "Bob told on a Monday that i should..." That is one huge mea culpa and I'd edit it if I could. To be clear, my comment that "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect" is a paraphrase of multiple answers to the broad question dealing with how Aperture handles files that have been deleted in Finder. At the time, it was known that you could delete a file in Finder, that Aperture could be made to accept that, that it might cause issues further down the road, but that those issues were unkown. I paraphrased that but failed to make it clear that's what I was doing. Again, my apologies.
Frank Caggiano wrote:
So I'm not really sure what it is you are coming back here now to say? There was no 'consensus' to do this, it was your own 'solution'
In this respect, I think you've misunderstood me. At the time I made this post, I still was not seeing a direct connection between deleting files in Finder and adverse consequences in Aperture (or perhaps I should say my searches did not turn up such a connection). As such, I made this post to provide the community with clear evidence of why one should not delete one-of-a-pair files in Finder. Again, I may have simply missed the thread that detailed that to do so would result in a null error when relocating Masters. That said, in July 2013 I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting the null error and I did not see a thread that asked "have you deleted files in Finder" as a way to troubleshoot.
Hopefully, I've cleared up any confusion now. To bring this all back around to my original point for the thread, I intended it to (1) offer a more direct way to troubleshoot the null error on relocating Masters, and (2) to offer a cautionary tale for those who choose to delete one of the RAW+JPEG pair in Finder. There are better (though more time- and space-consuming) ways to get it done, and my original post should help demonstrate why.

Need more information regarding RAW JPEG pairs

I understand the importing of RAW+JPEG pair options. What I am having difficulty finding in any forum or user manual is the workflow using such pairs after the import.
If I import a R+J pair with RAW as original, there is an "R" icon in the viewer on that photo. Is the image displayed (version 1) Aperture's rendering of the RAW file? Or is it the JPEG that goes along with it? If I wanted to compare the JPEG to the RAW, how would I do that? If I created a new version from the original and then compared version 1 and version 2, what would I be looking at?

My first question is why are you using a Raw&JPG pair workflow? In my experience it is very rarely needed and adds a lot of complexity to the setup.
Now to answer your questions:
The image displayed in the viewer is always a full resolution interpretation of the current master. If the raw file is the master then the image is based on it. If the JPG is master then the image in the viewer is based on it.
There is no direct way to compare one master to the other master. Only one master can be viewed at a time. However versions made off of one of the masters will always be made off that master.
So if the Raw is the current master and you create a version from it that version is based on the Raw master. Now if you select the JPG to be current master a version is made off of it and the other version you created is still based on the Raw master.
You can prove this to yourself by looking at the filename of each. When you select the version made from the Raw the filename extension will show the Raw extension for your camera. When you select the JPG the filename extension will end in jpg.
So now on to how to compare the images side by side:
For whichever type is the current master select it and do a Photos->New Version from Master. Remember a version made from a master, before any adjustments are made to the version, will be identical to the master.
Now switch masters. A version is created from this master and again as no adjustments were applied to it will look exactly like the master.
These two images are then the Raw and the JPG side-by-side.

Batch delete the JPEG's from all my RAW/JPEG pairs?

What's the best way to batch delete the JPEG's from all my RAW+JPEG pairs?
I have a 88k image library many of which are RAW+JPEG pairs. I've got about 50GB's left on my 2TB internal hard drive and need to free up space. I'm combing through the years worth of data attempting to clean it all up but I thought dumping the JPEG's would be a quick and easy gain. Can anyone thing of a safe way to do this? Creating an album of all my pairs is easy enough but I can't find a "delete JPEG" option.
Thanks!
-Jared
www.rogersglobal.com

Again, another untested idea for you. You should try it with one image first and Please! make sure your library is backed up first.
Select the Photos group from the Library pane to show all photos in the browser.
Set your view to Browser only.
Clear any filters in the top right if they are set.
Click the Filter icon at the top right.
If it's not already there, add the rule for "File Type" using the popup menu.
Set the filter to show Filetype Is RAW+JPEG.
You are now looking at all of your RAW+JPEG pairs in your entire library.
Make sure all the images are set to RAW as Master.
Select all the photos (test just one first!) and File->Relocate Masters. Choose an external disk with enough room.
Once all the masters are moved out of the library to a new location (this could take awhile if you have many photos), Navigate to the new location of the masters and remove the JPEGs. Sort by filetype in the Finder to make it easier.
Back in Aperture, Select all the RAW+JPEG pairs in the filtered browser and choose File->Consolidate Masters. (Now that the JPEGs are gone, I don't know if Aperture will complain. That's why you should test this first on 1 image)
If this worked, you should now have only RAW masters in your library.
I repeat myself: I didn't test this. Please test on a fully backed up library on only 1 image first. Good luck.

Swapping RAW Masters to JPEGs

I couldn't find another thread covering this--please point me to one if it's been discussed...
I am shooting RAW with a Canon 5d Mk II, so my image files are ~24MB. During my Aperture workflow, I'll end up with stack selections and a couple 4-5 star images within most stacks, as well as a number of lesser pictures that I still want to keep.
I want to keep my stack picks and high-star photo masters in RAW format for maximum flexibility. However, for the tail of lesser photos that I don't anticipate a lot of further postprocessing on, I would love to have a way to "swap" or "down-convert" the masters to JPEGs, keeping all their metadata, keywords, stack membership, etc. intact. This would enable me to keep them at a size of ~3MB each and would result in a lot of space savings (almost 90% savings). I could obviously export and re-import, but none of the metadata or organization would be intact.
I am looking for a plugin or manual/batch method for doing this. Ideally, I would filter a project for a list of photos below a certain star rating and which are not stack picks and batch downgrade masters to JPEGs. If any adjustments were "baked into" the new JPEG masters, that would be no problem.
I don't believe that shooting RAW + JPEG helps me here at all. Historically, I've shot raw-only, and I could switch going forward if someone had a great solution based on this.
Any ideas? Thanks for your help!
Mark

I am sorry I can't help here, but I completely agree with you. My camera has the capability to do this on camera (Olympus 420, so its a low-end Camera), where I can choose to delete the RAW, the JPEG, or both. The only problem is that while Shooting RAW + JPEG is pretty nice, the screen is too small to tell if the picture will come okay without spending serious time zooming into the picture and checking it out. Storing a RAW file (mine are only 11MB) of a mediocre picture is a huge waste. How hard would it be to include a rIght mouse click to: Delete RAW, Delete JPEG, or Delete Both?
I understand that because all edits are non-destructive, deleting the master will in turn delete all edits, but throw the "+are you sure+" warning message and let the chips fall where they may. Someone will learn pretty quick after making that mistake once.
Is it me? or is what I am asking here just crazy talk?

The raw portion of a referenced master got separated from its jpeg pair when I was relocating originals. Can I recombine the raw and jpeg pair?

Hi, I'm a fairly new Aperture user and have just started storing my photos on an external hard drive. An error message appeared when I was relocating originals of a project. It stopped relocating at one image, saying that the jpeg file did not exist. I found the raw file name under the new project folder that I was relocating it to, but it's jpeg pair did not move. The file names look identical except one ends in .JPG and the other as .NEF. I tried to combine originals, but I got the same error message and when I looked at the files the raw now had (1) attached to it, whereas the jped didn't. The Aperture window started to close unexpectedly many times. I tried Repair Permissions and Repair Database and that seemed to stop Aperture from closing unexpectedly, but the raw and jpeg pair are still in separate folders. How can I get them paired up again or does it matter? I'm using Mac OS X and Aperture version 3.4.5.
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From an operational perspective 'Managed' images means Aperture will take care of the image file storage for you, 'Referenced' means you will take care of it yourself.
There are a number of things that may have happened but this is what I think is most likely:
If you shoot a lot of photos with the same brand of camera, eventually you'll end up with duplicate file names, for example two different files called DSC_1234.NEF. If you attempt to store these in the same folder yourself, worse case scenario is you may inadvertently overwite one of the files. If you use Aperture to relocate, you'll get one of the files with a new name of DSC_1234 (1).NEF.
So your first step is to figure out what these files really are. Are they duplicates, or are they different files with the same name, and do they each have a matching .JPG
Aperture has the tools to fix up the problem, but you need to confirm what the problem is first.
If you don't have many of the (1) files, it may be worth continuing your 'relocate' to subfolders - making sure your subfolder hierarchy doesn't cause duplicate names to be stored together. Then when everything else is stored correctly, address the problem images by moving them to where they should be, with the right name and the JPG/NEF pairs together.
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Roy Martin German wrote:
For some unknown reason, although I can see both the "Use JPEG as Original" and the "Use RAW as Original", both of these menu items are grayed out?
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Roy Martin German wrote:
but I only see the raw file and as soon as I open it, the cameras jpeg is replaced by something that aperture generates.
Not sure what you mean by this statement. By design Aperture doesn't "replace" anything. Can you clarify?

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