Extended partition on old MBR HDD makes Windows 7 UEFI boot fail

There seems to be a bug in Windows 7 Pro x64 that prevents it from booting on a GPT partitioned HDD when the same machine also has an MBR partitioned HDD with an extended partition.
I have a UEFI bootable PC with two HDDs:
Disk 0 is GPT partitioned and contains Windows 7 Pro x64 and openSUSE systems.
Disk 1 is MBR partitioned and contains Windows XP Pro x64 systems and bootable ISO images.
Both the disks also have separate partitions for data and for booting.
They are normally booted via rEFInd on disk 0 as follows:
UEFI => rEFInd => Windows 7 or GRUB2.
UEFI => rEFInd => disk 1 MBR => GRUB4DOS.
I had previously installed Windows 7 when it was first released, but abandoned it in favour of XP and openSUSE instead. With the end of support for XP I decided to re-install W7. Before doing so I unplugged disk 1 to ensure that W7 booted completely
independently of XP. After installing W7 I installed SP1 and all the Windows updates. The new W7 system could be booted without problem via rEFInd => \EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi
However when I plugged in disk 1 W7 would no longer boot. It displayed the message "Windows is Loading Files" as the bar progressed twice before returning to the rEFInd menu. On selecting W7 again it presented the option to "Launch
Startup Repair", but on doing so it too just displayed "loading files" and returned to the reEFInd menu.
I UEFI booted from the installation DVD and ran Repair. When re-booted W7 presented a menu with choice of new and recovered systems, but both failed as before. Neither could be booted in safe mode. Booting directly from the UEFI firmware menu
into W7, instead of via rEFInd, gave similar results.
Investigations showed that the problem is caused by the extended partition on disk 1. If it is deleted, or just hidden by changing the partition type from 0x0F to 0x00, then W7 boots OK. Plugging in an external USB HDD with logical partitions also
prevents W7 from booting.
This all seemed to be similar to the problem described in KB979374, so I downloaded the hotfix (404153_intl_x64_zip.exe), which is supposed to be applicable to Windows 7 as well as WindowsServer 2008 R2. However when the hotfix was run it displayed "The
update is not applicable to your computer" and logged the following error:
error 2149842967 "" (Command line: ""C:\Windows\system32\wusa.exe" "<pathname>\Windows6.1-KB979374-x64.msu" ")
Is this because the version of files mentioned in KB979374 is older (6.1.7600.20617) than the version of Winload.exe in my system (6.1.7601.17556)?
According to http://www.techienewsnetwork.com/247/22/ SP1 included hotfix 979374, but it doesn't appear in the list of Installed Updates given in my W7 control panel. Should it, are hotfixes included in a service pack listed individually? If
not is there any way to tell whether or not hotfix 979374 has been applied?
How can W7 be booted without having to change the partition type code of extended partitions every time, is there a newer hotfix that will fix the problem in Windows 7 SP1?
Almost all the references I can find to this problem are at least 2 years old, which suggests it might have been fixed. Does anyone else with an up to date Windows 7 SP1 have this problem with extended partitions. An easy test is to plug in an external
HDD with logical partitions and see if W7 will still boot.
I don't want to convert disk 1 to GPT as that would make XP un-bootable. Also GRUB4DOS only supports MBR, and it is very useful for booting ISO images as well as XP.
Cheers.

Hi Wade,
To be sure that openSUSE, XP, or any other software on my PC isn't part of the problem I decided to do a new install of Windows 7 on a blank HDD. As I don't have a spare one I had to backup everything on disk 1 (MBR) and then wipe it, including the MBR,
with zeros (using AOMEI Partition Assistant).
I unplugged the original disk 0 so that the PC had just single completely blank HDD (previously disk 1), UEFI booted the Windows 7 DVD and installed W7 again. Unfortunately at this first attempt W7 partitioned the blank HDD as an MBR disk and booted
in legacy BIOS mode, even though I had booted the DVD in UEFI mode. So I deleted all the partitions it had just created and converted the disk to a GPT one.
The next time I installed W7 it was a UEFI one, with an EFI system partition. After installing SP1 and re-booting it a few times to make sure it was working OK I plugged in the external HDD with an extended partition before re-booting. The result
was exactly the same as reported above for the main GPT disk: it briefly flashed "Starting Windows" then displayed "Loading files" for a few seconds as the bars progressed; when Startup Repair was launched it failed as well.
After removing the HDD I booted the new W7 and added some missing drivers and installed all the Windows Updates, including the optional ones. Many hours later the result was a new up to date installation of Windows that worked perfectly (no errors in
any log files), with no other software on the PC. However as soon as the external HDD was plugged in it failed to boot, as described previously.
I then ran Bootrec from the DVD, trying all the commands, but the results were exactly the same: everything worked successfully but no Windows installations were found, and it didn't fix the problem.
The documentation on how to use Bootrec describes how to backup the BCD store that is on the C: drive (e.g. "ren c:\boot\bcd bcd.old"). However the BCD store for UEFI based systems is in the EFI system partition, NOT on the C: drive. This suggest
that Bootrec does not apply to UEFI based systems.
Are you sure that the MBR is used when booting in UEFI mode? From what I have read in several places (not MS pages) the protective MBR on the GPT isn't used, but instead the UEFI firmware runs \EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi which looks in the BCD store
in the EFI partition. Can you point me to any MS documentation please that explains exactly how UEFI booting works for Window 7, including its use of the MBR.
Do you have a Windows 7 system that can boot from UEFI when an MBR disk with an extended partition is attached. If so how is your installation different from the one I have just set up, i.e. Windows 7 installed on a PC with just
a single empty GPT HDD?
Do you work at Microsoft? If so perhaps you could find out if anybody with a straightforward UEFI booted Windows 7 has problems when an MBR HDD with an extended partition is attached.
Sorry for the delay in responding, but a lot of work was involved.

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"Windows cannot be installed to this disk 0. The selected disk has an MBR partition table. On EFI system, Windows can only be installed on GPT disks...."
Let me know guys what should I do?
Thanks,
Attiqe

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To start the Windows installer, hold the Option (Alt) key while your computer is starting and have a look at all the boot options you have. You should see two with a DVD above and they must be named "Windows" and "EFI Boot". Choose the option with "Windows" and follow the steps to install Windows. Note that you have to format the "BOOTCAMP" partition from the installer to be able to install Windows.
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- You want to resize your Windows system partition (say C: )
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- you failed resizing using a third-party server running Windows 2008 and its disk management tool (diskmgmt.msc)
- you failed resizing using Dell Extpart ...
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- if your partition is a vmdk disk (VMWare), so you have to tweak your VM forcing it to boot on the GParted .ISO file (to do so: press the F2 key very quickly, as soon as the VM starts). From there, go to the Boot Option of the VM BIOS and select the CD-ROM
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In VMWare, go back to the boot option and remove the Gparted "ISO" file from the boot menu (this will let Windows boot again).
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Antoine_D
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