FCPv2 and PAL-NTSC Conversions

Hello everyone,
I have just read a bit about FCPv2. I am really interested in being able to use PAL and NTSC in the same time line.
At the moment we send out footage out for a hardware standards conversion.
Does anyone know how this new feature is going to work? Will it be good, will it need rendering, will it allow me to out put to PAL or NTSC on my DVCAM Deck?
Any thoughts on this would be great.
Thanks,
David Lee

Anyone...? I need to know why US news editors in DC have had to use Procoder... Running Avid... to convert to PAL from NTSC, Then sending it on a FTP... To places like Norway, Denmark... While finalcut could not make the conversion. The question is, will the new Studio release let me use Finalcut without having to buy a dual core..?
I Edit in NTSC on my powerbook... then I need to transcode it to PAL (MPEG 4? I believe...) and then send it to the Server in Europe or Scandinavia?
This is why all the editors use AVID and not APPLE's finalcutpro.
Another words... Compressor the old version would not work. So people could not use Final Cut... Or just recently they had to buy the dualcore... then they would have to edit in Final cut... Open Pro-coder in a Windows PC partition.... Then drag the master in... Then export, back to final cut, (or do they send it from Procoder?) I don't know. I would rather upgrade to STUDIO then have to buy a new dualcore... Can the new studio do this? Sorry if I sound like a fool....
Thanks!
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