Final Cut 10.1 Media Management Very Frustrated

Hello Final Cut Pros,
My situation is as follows. I was using Final Cut 10.0.9. That version had a perfect feature that on a simple click allowed me to see all my events organized by Year and even by both year and month if I wanted to. Both Views were simple clicks. I chose to use the By Year and by month view. This is exactly how I want to view my videos in 10.1. I am not a video professional. These videos are simply my family home videos organized so that we can view them on demand by just going directly to the year and month we want to view. THere are nearly a thousand events spread across 15 years. Upon Upgrading to 10.1 this view has disappeared for me. IN fact it's much worse than that. Each one of my events have now been moved to a 10.1 event. Only there is literally no way of organizing events in 10.1 that I can see. My hundreds of events in 10.1 are simply all lumped together under the one library file that 10.1 created for me. When you search for a way to organize the view of your events you get a little hope when you find that you can orgnize "events" by created date. Only you CAN'T organize events by Created date. You can only organize clips by created date. So when i click to view by created date, my events on the left remain exactly as they were but the clips shown in the browser on the right get organized by Created Date. Nowhere do you see a relationship between the Events on the left which are devoid of any and all organization and the clips on the right neatly organized by Created Date. Now, the thing is in my case I have never bothered to rename any clip after import. THe clip names themselves have only the clip date as part of the name and that's it. Staring at those clip names for me is useless. After much research, and couple of fruitless phone calls to Apple Support, I am left completely in the dark. I have spent 3 days agonizing over what to do with this and have decided on somethign that I can;t possibly believe is the answer. I am convinced that I am overlooking somethign brutally obvious but still nobody on the net or anyone in Apple support can point it out to me. Here is what I am doign right now which just has to be wrong. Apple cannot be forcing all of us who are in similar situations to do this, but here goes
1) I created an Event called ALL EVENTS
2) I then am going to each of my hundreds of events and doing the following
3) I am assigning the event name as a Keyword to the clips belonging to that evnt. (No automated way to do this. Nearly a thousand events)
4) Next, I drag the clips in that event to the ALL EVENTS event.
5) I select the keyword collection which is named the same as my event and which now appears in the ALL EVENTS folder and on the broser window I can see the clips. THe clips are organized by date.
6) THen I create a folder in tthe ALL EVENTS folder with the year of the clips and another folder inside the year folder for teh month of the clips. I then drag the Keyword collection to inside the month.
Doign the above is the only way that I can conceive of with 10.1 to see all of my home videos organized by year and by month. Dividing any of this into multiple events and/or mutiple libraries is useless to me from what I can see. I want to be able to enter the word CHristmas and have all videos relating to Christmas for every year pop up. I don;t belive that can happen with 10.1 if clips are stored across events, and certainly not across libraries but I could be wrong.
I am just about convinced that I am about to be totally emabarrased by someone's 1 or 2 sentence reply to this post explaining what I need to be doing that will not consume days if not weeks of my time like the steps I described above in order to have a By Year and by Month view of my videos.
Thank you all for any help you can provide
Javier

WOW, my frustration is mounting to no end. Tom, I have searched over and over again. There is nothing out there that addresses my very, very clearly stated predicament in this post. While I most definitely appreciate your response to my post, please notice that you also are not directly addressing and answering my question. Leaving me to continue to suspect that the answer is simply that no there is no way to get a view by Year and By Month without putting in weeks of work". I am looking for a white paper from Apple that addresses the followign question exactly,
"Hi Mr. Final Cut user, if you have an event library that is based ont he current system whihc allows you to clearly view all of your events by Year and by MOnth here is what you need to do to achieve the same thign in 10.1/ . Here are some of the suggestions on how you might be able to TRANSITION". Of course everyone's case is different Mr Final Cut User but of the 4 or 5 clearly stated options we've given you here it's up to you which one you chooise. And BTW none of the options we;ve given you require you to put in weeks of work to get to what you had already."
Again, I don;t feel that an answer to my question can be "well to each their own. Everybody's workflow is different so you ahve to get to know 10.1 through online materials. That's baloney. The Group by Year and Month was an option right on the GUI. Its akin to them removing the Import feature and telling us all that everybody imports different.
I AM NOT the only person who had all their clips in EVENTS. THe EVENT in the new media management is nothing like the EVENT in the old. Actually the fact that named it EVENT may be adding to the confusion.
Tom, if you know Final Cut then you know exactly what's just happened to me. Nearly 1000 events have been dumped into separate 10.1 events yet there is no Event-based organization at all. THere is nothing out there at all addressing this question. Again, in Final Cut 10.0.9 I was clicking once and getting all my events organized instantenaously by Year and by Month. If you would be so kind as to please just answer this question for me before I put in weeks of work. With the new 10.1 am I forced to do tons of work in order to get to see my videos again by Year and by Month? THis answer would be very helpful to me because right now I am in disbelief that I have to do that. It makes the work I am doing very depressing. For all I know, there actually is a way to do it very easily or maybe Apple knows about this issue and is about to issue a fix for it.
MY quetion is simple. Can someone please help me.
Thank You Very Much for any help you can provide

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Right clicking on the sequence asset and selecting "New sequence from clip" creates another sequence with the same name and the .mov on the timeline.
The markers are inside the .mov and audio tracks, not up on the top ruler line where markers appear when manually adding markers.
The keystrokes to move to markers do not work.
The "Clear all Markers" function is greyed out , like it is when no markers exist.
If a "Dynamic link to Encore is performed, there is no markers in Encore.
If you enter chapter markers manually and look at the project file (an XML file) you will see indexes with the chapter points , durations and names as children named "Markers" with attribute"ObjectID='22'.under "//PremiereData"
Following , in sequential order, are subsequent objects "Markers", ObjectID='23" through "ObjectID=n
However, if you look at the project file after importing a FCP project, this same function occurs, except that it is "Markers" "ObjectID=30 with the indexes and marker data 31 through n (further down in the file). This area is empty when adding the markers manually in Premiere Pro.
FYI , the project file is littered with the word "Marker" and "Markers" throughout the file, only their attributes make any node unique.
I am at 99.9 &% finished with a VB program to create / modify nodes, values and attributes, except that the XML date changes format at the node named "//WorkspaceSettings" so I am not able to edit values to make a file that will not crash when opening.
I would very much like the import from Final Cut Pro to work, or someone explain how to work with the nodes under "//WorkspaceSettings"
Thank millions for a solution.

It's a 2007 iMac with 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. I had been using Final Cut Pro without any problems right until I upgraded to Yosemite. I'm hoping that upgrading to Yosemite doesn't mean I can't continue using Final Cut Pro - that would be extremely frustrating.

PrE 9 (Windows) vs. Final Cut Express 4 (Mac)

Hi,
I've managed to do real work with PrE 4 on my Sony laptop and have generated a few reasonably good videos for my purposes at work. I bought PrE 8 but never managed to make it work, even on a clean machine running Win 7. I've mentioned my trevails elsewhere on this forum.
I called Adobe direct sales, mentioned that it's reasonably common knowledge that PrE 8 doesn't work, and asked if there was any deal going to v. 9. As the final cost is only $79 after rebate, I wasn't surprised when they said no. But PrE 8 did not work at all for me. I got 0 utility out of it.
Still, my experience with PrE 4 keeps me hopeful and I have some investment in the Premiere Elements UI.
I am considering the following:
New Windows machine with PrE 9
New Mac with Final Cut Express 4
I quickly read some user reviews at Apple.com and it appears that even FCE4 has some issues, although those were short user reviews, not a forum like this with details and responses.
Anyways, is there anyone who can give me a high-level comparison of the two programs? I would like to move to AVCHD. I like the Avid-style interface. Is there another inexpensive alternative I should be considering?
Also, is Premiere Pro that much better? I would consider that but when I read about problems with video drivers, stability, etc., I assume those relate to a common code base between Pro and Elements. Also, my problems with PrE 8 have made me gunshy about dropping the bigger bucks with Adobe for Pro.
Thanks.
Steve

Well, you're asking to cover a lot in a brief forum post. Especially since it's a bit like comparing a sedan to an SUV to a pick-up to a minivan. They all have four wheels -- but which serves you best depends on your specific needs.
BTW, as I'm sure you're aware, Premiere Elements 9 is now available for the Mac too. So, although, at least in my experience, version 9 has fixed most of the bugginess of version 8 on the Windows platform, it also runs quite well on a Mac too. So that gives you another option.
Basically, Premiere Elements is a consumer program. It's got lots of pro features, but it's very user friendly and easy to work with.
Final Cut Express is just like Final Cut Pro, except without all the high-end features. Like FCP, Express can be challenging to learn. But, in my experience, I've not seen any bugginess with it.
Final Cut will digest pretty much anything you feed it. It also edits AVCHD very efficiently, since it does so using a proxy codec -- sort of a lower-rez preview file. The challenge is that this means that, when you want to output your project, it can take hours for the program to render it.
Both Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro are used by professionals. Each has its own advantages. As I've said, Final Cut Pro has a lot in common with Final Cut Express -- but there are very few commonalities between Premiere Elements and Premiere Pro. They both edit video and look somewhat alike -- but comparing one to the other is like comparing a Honda Civic to a Mack truck. It's not really a fair comparison.
As for the bugginess you read about online -- I guarantee that there's not a program or computer system in the world that SOMEBODY hasn't reported issues with. The only true way to know if a program will work on your system or not is to download the free trial.
So -- if I can use the car metaphor one more time -- give them all a test drive. Only you know what's right for your needs.

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