Fixing duplicate keyword problem in LR 2.2

I have imported Controlled Vocabulary into my existing keyword library. Unfortunately I already had existing keywords tagged to a couple of hundred photos. As a result I now have duplicate keywords for each photo. I realize I may have compounded my problems by saving the keywords directly to photos(CTRL-S) after the import and before attempting to delete duplicate keywords.
Is there a way to delete entire library of keywords and re-import CV without deleting keywords from the existing XMP files? Then I could continue keywording photos using a fresh CV library and edit existing duplicates when I had the time. Obviously I am hoping to avoid the worst case scenario of re-keywording all my photos.
Note: I sent a related question on a previous thread(on 2/7)and never received a response...

Jim, I'm in a similar workflow attempting to use a single controlled vocabulary across several libraries. The problem I run into is when adding new keywords to the vocabulary, I have to remember to export the whole keyword list and update all of my catalogs before going on to the next task. Also, as in your case, if a keyword is deleted from the vocabulary or moved to a different tree there is no easy way to duplicate the change across all libraries.
In the same way that all of my catalogs share a common set of develop presets, are you aware of any way to have several lightroom catalogs work from a single set of keywords?

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    'The trouble with hierarchical keywords is they always end up with child keywords somehow re-appearing at the top level.  It can happen when they re-import a picture that's been processed in another app.  Or when a group of child keywords becomes duplicated in more than one part of the hierarchy.  Usually because they have changed the hierarchy at some point and imported an older file.  Or they changed the hierarchy on a laptop and then brought files over to the main PC.  Something always upsets the logical structure they have put into place.  So rather than continue with this problem, they have gone back to a flat list in Lightroom.'
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