Duplicate Keywords in Keywording Panel

I kind of have a lack of knowledge about keyword hierarchies already installed and being used.  This question is going to be less than together. 
I will have imported all my photos into Lightroom already.  Their associated keywords should be in the Keyword Panel.  (I have not done this yet.) 
The bulk of the imported will have been keyworded in Nikon View 6.0.0.  (I had no flat keyword list or hierarchical keyword list already in Nikon View.)  I keyworded these photos into Nikon View's IPTC from looking at a independent paper list.  The rest of the recent photos imported will have been keyworded inside Lightroom and/or  keyworded from Nikon View NX2 and imported.  [I haven't decided yet which one I will keyword from, Lightroom or NX2...unless you have a suggestion.] 
The Keyword Hierarchy will have been made up after the bulk of my photos have been imported...  In short I'm trying to give you a future scenario of my work flow at this point so I can start asking questions.
I have read of people having trouble with duplicate keywords being added to the Lightroom Keyword List Panel after they get their keyword list/hierarchy set up.  The following thoughts about unwanted duplicate keywords turning up in a keyword hierarchy I read and am not 100% clear on:
'The trouble with hierarchical keywords is they always end up with child keywords somehow re-appearing at the top level.  It can happen when they re-import a picture that's been processed in another app.  Or when a group of child keywords becomes duplicated in more than one part of the hierarchy.  Usually because they have changed the hierarchy at some point and imported an older file.  Or they changed the hierarchy on a laptop and then brought files over to the main PC.  Something always upsets the logical structure they have put into place.  So rather than continue with this problem, they have gone back to a flat list in Lightroom.'
Could someone spell out what is above so I am 100% sure I think I know what is it saying?  Are there any more instances I could get an unwanted duplicate keyword or keywords in the Panel?  So it is not a good idea to change the Hierarchy after you get it set up?  How about additions?
I'm scared now to start a hiearchy!  Scared for problems it might cause in the future.  I like the idea you can filter search on a whole category or subcategory.  It's easier to zip down to find a keyword.  Especially with 700 plus keywords.  I'm scared to impliment it.  Could anyone explain?  Thank You So Much for any information!
Sandy

'The trouble with hierarchical keywords is they always end up with child keywords somehow re-appearing at the top level.  It can happen when they re-import a picture that's been processed in another app.  Or when a group of child keywords becomes duplicated in more than one part of the hierarchy.  Usually because they have changed the hierarchy at some point and imported an older file.  Or they changed the hierarchy on a laptop and then brought files over to the main PC.  Something always upsets the logical structure they have put into place.  So rather than continue with this problem, they have gone back to a flat list in Lightroom.'
Could someone spell out what is above so I am 100% sure I think I know what is it saying?  Are there any more instances I could get an unwanted duplicate keyword or keywords in the Panel?  So it is not a good idea to change the Hierarchy after you get it set up?  How about additions?
In my opinion, someone has written something that implies a terrible thing has happened (duplicate keywords), when in fact duplicate keywords can be avoided by maintaining a structured workflow; then if a duplicate keyword does appear (because you didn't maintain the structured workflow, or like most people, you just plain made a mistake), this isn't a terrible thing; in fact, this is something that might take 20 seconds to fix in Lightroom.
The structured workflow I am thinking of is the following: if you have keywords added by other software, import all (yes ALL) of the photos into Lightroom, and then clean up the hierarchy to be the way you want it to be. Then, there is never another instance of importing photos that already have keywords. From that point forward, do all of your keywording in Lightroom, and you will not likely get duplicate keywords.
And if you do find a keyword that is out of place, you have several choices:
Panic, and never use Lightroom again
Gouge your eyes out so you can't see the problem any more
stay calm and drag the keyword to where it should be in the hierarchy
As opposed to keywords out of place, duplicate keywords also give you choices. You can use choice #1 or choice #2 to solve the problem, or you can (Choice #3) simply apply the correct keyword to the photos, and then delete the duplicate.
I'm scared now to start a hiearchy!  Scared for problems it might cause in the future.  I like the idea you can filter search on a whole category or subcategory.  It's easier to zip down to find a keyword.  Especially with 700 plus keywords.  I'm scared to impliment it.  Could anyone explain?  Thank You So Much for any information!
Over my several years of using Lightroom, I do find that I accidentally put keywords in the wrong place. The problem is fixed, via choice #3 above, in under 20 seconds. Also, over my time using Lightroom, my photography subject matter has changed, or my organizing needs have changed, and I have re-arranged parts of my hierarchy to suit my new needs, and/or added new top level keywords or middle level keywords or bottom level keywords. It is relatively painless and simple. The biggest problem (and yes, it is a problem) is when you have to drag a keyword from the top of the hierarchy to the bottom (beyond the bottom of the screen), scrolling isn't as smooth as it should be, but it still works. This is hardly a reason to avoid hierarchical keywords.
Honestly, I think someone has placed bad thoughts in your head.

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