FLASHBACK Database : rman vs sql command differnces

I am new to Oracle and want understand the difference and which is the correct way of flashing back the database?
RMAN command vs SQL Command on using FLASHBACK DATABASE
SQL> FLASHBACK DATABASE TO RESTORE POINT BEFORE_ONLINE_TEST; {CODE} Vs rman> run{
     flashback database to restore point BEFORE_TEST_320130313;
     sql "alter database open resetlogs"; }
Referring this article on http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/backup.112/e10642/rcmflash.htm#BGBDCAFA it says we can use both RMAN and SQL command for database flashback.
Questions:
1. Difference between using RMAN and SQL command on database flashback?
2. When to use RMAN or SQL on the database flashback?
3. Which is the Oracle recommended or best way ?
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:26 PM
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:26 PM
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:27 PM
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:27 PM
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:28 PM
Edited by: Sivaprasad S on Mar 15, 2013 7:29 PM

When I issue the SQL Plus command of
SQL> flashback database to restore point BEFORE_TEST_20130313 ;
flashback database to restore point BEFORE_TEST_20130313
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-38754: FLASHBACK DATABASE not started; required redo log is not available
ORA-38762: redo logs needed for SCN 87612483975 to SCN 87612485856
ORA-38761: redo log sequence 1 in thread 1, incarnation 3 could not be accessedHowever on running this on RMAN
RMAN>
list backup of archivelog scn between 87612483975 and 87612485856
RMAN> ;
starting full resync of recovery catalog
full resync complete
List of Backup Sets
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BS Key Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
5212758 19.75M     SBT_TAPE    00:00:04     13-MAR-2013 16:36:17
        BP Key: 5212765   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20130313T163611
        Handle: <TestDB_60:809973373:1>.al   Media: 945c30b6:506c6cd2:3a14:0001
List of Archived Logs in backup set 5212758
Thrd Seq     Low SCN    Low Time             Next SCN   Next Time
1    1       87612468290 13-MAR-2013 13:28:19 87612484321 13-MAR-2013 16:36:06
1    2       87612484321 13-MAR-2013 16:36:06 87612484339 13-MAR-2013 16:36:09
BS Key Size       Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time
5212759 896.50M    SBT_TAPE    00:00:17     13-MAR-2013 16:36:30
        BP Key: 5212766   Status: AVAILABLE Compressed: NO Tag: TAG20130313T163611
        Handle: <TestDB_59:809973373:1>.al   Media: 945c30b6:506c6cbd:39f5:0001
List of Archived Logs in backup set 5212759
Thrd Seq     Low SCN    Low Time             Next SCN   Next Time
1    5       87612363812 12-MAR-2013 14:22:26 87612659040 13-MAR-2013 03:04:08
run {
allocate CHANNEL dev_2 TYPE 'SBT_TAPE' format '%U' PARMS 'SBT_LIBRARY=/opt/omni/lib/libob2oracle8_64bit.so,ENV=(OB2BARTYPE=Oracle8)';
allocate CHANNEL dev_3 TYPE 'SBT_TAPE' format '%U' PARMS 'SBT_LIBRARY=/opt/omni/lib/libob2oracle8_64bit.so,ENV=(OB2BARTYPE=Oracle8)';
allocate CHANNEL dev_4 TYPE 'SBT_TAPE' format '%U' PARMS 'SBT_LIBRARY=/opt/omni/lib/libob2oracle8_64bit.so,ENV=(OB2BARTYPE=Oracle8)';
flashback database to restore point BEFORE_TEST_20130313;
sql "alter database open resetlogs";
release channel dev_2;
release channel dev_3;
release channel dev_4;
starting media recovery
archived log for thread 1 with sequence 2 is already on disk as file +DG_PERF_FLASH_02/TestDB/archivelog/2013_03_14/thread_1_seq_2.3612.810054205
archived log for thread 1 with sequence 3 is already on disk as file +DG_PERF_FLASH_02/TestDB/archivelog/2013_03_14/thread_1_seq_3.1588.810054205
channel dev_2: starting archived log restore to default destination
channel dev_2: restoring archived log
archived log thread=1 sequence=1
channel dev_2: reading from backup piece <TestDB_60:809973373:1>.al
channel dev_2: piece handle=<TestDB_60:809973373:1>.al tag=TAG20130313T163611
channel dev_2: restored backup piece 1
channel dev_2: restore complete, elapsed time: 00:00:46
channel dev_2: deleting archived log(s)
archived log file name=+DG_PERF_FLASH_02/TestDB/archivelog/2013_03_15/thread_1_seq_1.2969.810106317 RECID=49 STAMP=810106318
media recovery complete, elapsed time: 00:00:05
Finished flashback at 10-MAR-2013 05:32:07
database reset to incarnation 5215723
When we issue the SQL Plus command, if there is need of old database backup of archive log, how does that SQL Plus communicate with rman recovery catalog and retrieve?

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piece handle=F:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\ORCL\BACKUPSET\2009_08_31\O1_MF_NNNDF_TAG20090831T131520_59PY48QX_.BKP tag=TAG20090831T131520
channel ORA_DISK_1: restore complete, elapsed time: 00:00:46
Finished restore at 31-AUG-09
RMAN> recover database;
Starting recover at 31-AUG-09
using channel ORA_DISK_1
starting media recovery
archive log thread 1 sequence 22 is already on disk as file F:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ARC\ARC00022_0693947048.001
archive log thread 1 sequence 23 is already on disk as file F:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ARC\ARC00023_0693947048.001
archive log filename=F:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ARC\ARC00022_0693947048.001 thread=1 sequence=22
archive log filename=F:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ARC\ARC00023_0693947048.001 thread=1 sequence=23
media recovery complete, elapsed time: 00:00:06
Finished recover at 31-AUG-09
Then I back sqlplus
SQL> alter database open;
Database altered.
SQL> desc y
Name Null? Type
ID NUMBER
So answer your question is , YES you can restore from you old backup , not need to do anything else.
Regards
Liakat hossain

Can I use flashback database to flashback a pluggable database?

Hi All,
I created a container database and then created a pluggable database.
In the pluggable 12.1 datbase, I loaded the user data.
I performed the below
sqlplus / as sysdba;
create restore point CLEAN_DB guarantee flashback database;
And I performed the transactions on the pdb.
Now my intention is to restore to the restore point CLEAN_DB as created from the above step.
If I perform the below, will it restore my pdb to the initial state?
flashback database to restore point CLEAN_DB;
Regards,
Kamal.

Hi,
You cannot use FLASHBACK DATABASE for pluggable database.
Flashback query/versions queryis UNDO based and work in PDB’s
Flashback transaction query/flashback transactionis UNDO and REDO based and work in PDB’s
Flashback data archiveUNDO gernerated archives
Flashback table
before drop –> Rename segment name of recylebin, which is based on UNDO, work in PDB’s
flashback table to –> is UNDO based, work in PDB’s
Flashback databasedoesn’t work in PDB’s:
RMAN> flashback pluggable database prmdb01 to time "to_date('23:00 20-11-2013','hh24:mi dd-mm-yyyy')";
Starting flashback at 25-NOV-13
using channel ORA_DISK_1
using channel ORA_DISK_2
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-00569: =============== ERROR MESSAGE STACK FOLLOWS ===============
RMAN-00571: ===========================================================
RMAN-03002: failure of flashback command at 11/20/2013 23:00:00
RMAN-05108: Command is not supported for pluggable database
Regards
Mahir M. Quluzade
p.s. Command exists but not supporting, may be next release come support.

How to create backup using sql commands

can i create a backup using sql/sqlplus commands

I would actually advice you to use RMAN, instead of backup using sql commands, but if you want or have a requirment to do so..
First off all you should ensire that your databasse is in archilog mode.. (ALL PRODUCTION DATABASES should be in archivelog mode)
you can do it using sql*plus
archive log list
Then if you would like to make a cold backup (the only one posible in noarchivelog mode)
ypu have to
shutdown immediate
copy all database files (you don't need to copy redo logs) to another device
startup - to startup database
Actually I will suggest that your read User manager Recovery guide from oracle documentation
tahiti.oracle.com
Best Regards
Krystian Zieja / mob

RMAN LIST BACKUP COMMAND

I am using the following commands.
RMAN> sql "alter session set nls_date_format=''dd-mon-yyyy HH24:MI:SS''";
2> report unrecoverable database;
3> report need backup days 2 database;
4> list backup;
5> EXIT;
BS Key Type LV Size Device Type Elapsed Time Completion Time------- ---- -- ---------- ----------- ------------ ---------------
6249525 Full 68G SBT_TAPE 01:38:05 *25-OCT-2010*
BP Key: 6249547 Status: AVAILABLE Tag: TAG20101025T040741
Even after setting nls_date_format, completion time in list backup command is not returning exact time..it is returning just the date..
how to get completion time in RMAN LIST BACKUP COMMAND with hour,minute and second details...please let me know
I am using catalog database...target database version 9i and catalog db version is 10g.
Thanks,
db

NLS_DATE_FORMAT at OS level
I tied this export NLS_DATE_FORMAT=DD-MON-YYYY HH24:MI:SS is throwing error
NLS_DATE_FORMAT=DD-MON-YYYY: is not an identifier, please tell me what i am missing?

Unable to do flashback database!!

Hi all,
I have enabled flashback database and created a restore point with guaranteed flashback database so that i can do a flashback database. When i do a flashback database, its says it needs archivelogs to do recovery. The flashback log usually will have all modified data in a flashback log files to use it for flashbacking a database. why its asking for archivelogs when all the modified data is present in flashback log itself? kindly clarify me.
Regards,
Pradeep. V

Hi,
Flashback database required the Archive log files.
"Flashback Database is similar to conventional point-in-time recovery in its effects. It enables you to return a database to its state at a time in the recent past. Flashback Database is much faster than point-in-time recovery because it does not require restoring datafiles from backup and requires applying fewer changes from the archived redo logs."
"No file in the fast recovery area is eligible for deletion if it is required to satisfy a guaranteed restore point. However, archived redo logs required to satisfy a guaranteed restore point may be deleted after they are backed up to disk or tape. When you use the RMAN FLASHBACK DATABASE command, if the archived redo logs required to satisfy a specified guaranteed restore point are not available in the fast recovery area, then they are restored from the backups."
Ref Doc:Using Flashback Database and Restore Points
HTH

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