G4 MDD Cloning with Super Duper

G4 MDD Cloning with Super Duper
My G4: G4 MDD Single 1.25 Dual Boot. Running OS 10.3.9
I purchased a new hard drive to replace my old 80 GB drive. Also, purchased a second new drive to use as a scratch disk. After cloning to the first new drive that I'll use for the boot drive, I will be taking my 80 GB drive out and putting it in a firewire case that I purchased, for backups.
I never did this before and have some questions.
I'm going to leave my 80 GB drive in my G4 while doing the clone. Can I run Super Duper that is on my 80 GB drive? Or do I have to put Super Duper on a Boot CD or just a Data CD to run Super Duper?
To Clone my 80 GB to my new 640 GB for new boot drive, how do I do this? Do I use a Full Backup, is that the procedure?
Can you tell me how I go about doing this?
Another question I have about partitioning. I was told I could use Disk Utility that is on my 80 GB drive, that I don't have to use the boot CD to do this. Is that correct?
Was told I use Disk Utility to first Partition my 2 new drives, then Format them both Journeled. Is that the way to go for formatting and partitioning my new drives? Then I would do the cloning with Super Duper.
Another question: I run Photoshop CS2, Popcorn, Toast, and VisualHub. I will only wind up having 2 new Hard Drives in my G4. And will be taking the 80 GB drive out to use as a back up drive, after cloning.
What is the best way to partition my new boot drive and new second drive for a scratch drive?
I figured the boot drive would be first partition for my OS and second partition for my data/files.
On my second drive, I would use a first partition for CS2 Scratch and a second partition for Popcorn, Toast, etc. Because I know the scratch for CS2 is random and the scratch for the others are more sequential.
Would this be a good scenario for partitioning my 2 drives? Because I will only be using 2 hard drives in my computer.
Also, what partition Sizes should I make? My Boot drive will be a 640 GB drive and my Scratch drive is a 320 GB drive.
I'm new to this and would really appreciate some advise! thank You.

hello,
I've just used super duper for the first time a week ago to back-up before formatting my G4 MDD.
It works perfect BUT I'd recommand you use the version for sale (not the free/trial one) as it allows you to access more options such as creating image disks.
It's around 25$ or someting like that...
I'd also recommand you to read the "read me first" pdf file that goes with it, it's very useful and clear.
You have to install super duper on your computer and run it from there to back-up on the remote HD. You can either create a bootable version (if your external HD is a firewire one, and if it is HFS formated) or a disk image (I used this option since you have to erase the whole external disk to create a bootable back-up and I didn't want to do that).
Concerning partitioning, check it, but I think you have to run disk utility from the bootable apple CD to create a partition (disk utility won't partition the disk on which the system is running).
good luck

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I need to get this clone before I convert to OS 10.5.
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It could be a problem with a certain file that may be corrupted or extremely large on your drive, especially if the clone fails in the same place, multiple times.
With SuperDuper! running you can do a Command +L to view the log. It may have some information that might help you find where the process is going wrong.
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Will work just fine, just choose the new disk in System Preferences->Start Up disk and select the new 2TB. Might want to consider putting photo files on a separate disk and keep O/S and Apps on start up disk only, less risk and better performance if using A DAM such as AP3
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I moved my iphoto library awhile ago to an external firewire drive. I've kept my old iphoto library in my trash in case that drive died, but there are many photos that only exist in the iphoto library on the firewire drive.
I finally got another EHD (this one is a USB drive). My idea is to keep iphoto library on the EHD along with a bootable copy of my MacBook Pro's internal hard drive. However, I'm worried that when I create the bootable backup using Super Duper my iphoto library will be lost.
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1. Does this make sense?
2. When I tried to copy everything (using Super Duper) from the firewire drive to the USB drive, my iphoto library didn't copy. I thought I had to do this because otherwise I might lose my iphoto library when I create the bootable copy on the firewire drive. (??)
3. Does it make sense to partition the firewire drive? If so, I will still need to move iphoto to the USB drive before I do that, correct?
BTW, my MacBook Pro is all full up. I can't move the iphoto library back to my internal hard drive while I move all this around.
THanks and let me know if I need to clarify...

prettyred
Never, ever, store anything in the trash. Would you store things in your trash at home? It’s far too easy to accidentally erase it.
I don’t know that you need to have an empty firewire drive for Super Duper, but pop over to their site - they have a forum too: http://www.shirt-pocket.com/forums/ and they’ll answer that question for you.
Do you need two bootable back ups? I wold think one bootable back up, plus a back up of your data on the second disk would be enough.
Yes, if you are going to partition a disk it will erase the data on it, so you’ll need to back up any data on it.
Regards
TD

I'll stick with Super Duper

I installed 10.5 on a 80 gig drive. I partitioned a 250 drive to 177 and 56 gigs. The 80 gig drive where 10.5 resides has only 49.2 gigs of information. When I try Time Machine to backup on the 56 gig partition, it says I need 29+ more gigs free space. Say what? Seems Time Machine is backing up free space also.
Seems rather lame. I'll stick with my trusted Super Duper. It's bailed me out a couple of times.

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Then, Leopard came out. So....I picked up a 500 GB My Book drive for $105 (sale and coupon at Staples), formatted it and started TM. TM is quite amazing. With a small investment in another drive, I am covered. Overboard? Nah...most are "underboard" when it comes to backing up; I'm covered.
My suggestion: use both -- you can never "over backup"!!

Super Duper back up

I'm interested in getting the Super Duper Back Up System. I've been having some problems with my ext drive and plan to get a better one when do the back up. I've heard some drives are not bootable with Super Duper. Do you know whicj ones are bootable besides LaCie? I'd like to get a Glyph which is very rugged and is good for audio and video which is what I need.

OSX has certain files that are essential to making the system bootable. These files are invisible and have other strange and wonderous properties (okay, maybe not) that mean they can't be copied simply by drag copying the system folder over to another drive the way you used to be able to do with OS9. You need a utility capable of cloning. SuperDuper is one of those, CarbonCopyCloner is another, and there are a few others. Some people prefer SD because if you pay for the full featured version it offers some nice additional features.
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Hi Guys,
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It's actually really simple. Assuming the Time Machine volume is properly partitioned and formatted for the Mac (as "GUID" for Intel Macs, or "Apple Partition Map" for Power PC), and is boot compatible to start with, just use "Backup - all files" with Smart Update to store a bootable backup on the drive. Your Time Machine backups will be preserved.
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KevinD wrote:
Can I use Migration Assistant with a Time Machine or Super Duper backup on an external drive instead of the original computer?
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I'm thinking of upgrading my Mini to a new one but only have one monitor. Not in the mood to hunt down an old monitor & buy adapters, etc. If I can, are there any tradeoffs using a backup instead of the original Mini?
none.
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Hello, I've already posted before and nobody has responded. Let me ask one of the questions I could really use answered and hopefully people can help. So I am having a major HD issue and disk utility (booting from the install disk, can't even get past grey screen with apple logo and spinning wheel) says I have a verify or repair failure: Invalid Node structure. I have tried PRAM/NVRAM reset, Verbose, and safe mode, to no avail. I just would like to know if this Super Duper HD copying program will allow me to make a copy of my HD and save the info, then I'll just whip the disk and start new. I am having a hard time understanding how it can work unless your computer is working itself, which mine is not. How can I download the program if I can't even use my computer? How can I load it up on my computer if it does't even work? All I want to do is get a copy of my HD's contents or even specific files onto my backup drive, but I can't figure it out. I've already tried Restore on Disk Utility from the install disk, but has varying levels of not working. Sometimes my Macintosh HD is greyed out and won't even let me add it to the boxes on the right to make a copy, other times it does, but then won't let me add the destination drive (my backup drive). This whole thing is just killing me. I just got a backup drive for a christmas present and was going to backup everything, but then my Macbook went on the fritz. All I want to do is make a backup of my HD anyway I can. After that, I don't care, but I need my stuff. Any help would be appreciated in advance, thank you.
Here is the link to the original question that has 0 replies if you need more background.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4667043

I have read these posts and have a comment. If your computer is running slower than it used to and you are running the same apps as you used to and your hard drive is NOT over 90% full then the problem is NOT being caused by having too little RAM. The RAM does not shrink. If all things are the same but it is now running slower then there is some other reason than lack of RAM. RAM is expensive enough that it is a real shame to buy more if it has nothing to do with the underlying performance problem.
Clean caches with Onyx. Do all the other maintenance with Onyx. Run PreferentialTreatment. Reset PRAM. Boot from your external hard drive that you have cloned a copy of your main drive onto. You do have a clone of the main drive don't you?
A cloned copy of your hard drive is invaluable for trouble shooting and the day may very likely come that you will be extremely grateful that you spent the dollars for one. It is so easy to clone your hard drive and then to clone the external back to the internal if need be. Everything will be just how you left it. Far simpler and more effective than making a copy of your User folder and then reinstalling the OS from the DVD. The later can take many hours and much work to get things the way you had them. Cloning is virtually effortless.

Time Machine or Super Duper??

I have been using Super Duper successfully under Tiger with an external Seagate USB Drive. Now that I have Snow Leopard... I was wondering about Time Machine. I only want to use it if it does something substantially better than Super Duper- outperforms in some way shape or form- why mess with a good thing?
Message was edited by: Micah Eavenson

Ditto what Mr. Boyd says, adding "every hour."
Time Machine gives you a *much, much* better chance of recovering something you changed or deleted in error (Save instead of Save As, for example), or somehow got corrupted.
Plus the ability to put your entire system back the way it was at the time of any prior backup.
It's no doubt more than you want, but here's a comparison:
There are three basic types of backup applications: Bootable Clone, Archive, and Time Machine.
This is a general explanation and comparison. Many variations exist, of course, and some combine features of others.
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_*BOOTABLE "CLONE"*_
These make a complete, "bootable" copy of your entire system on an external disk/partition, a second internal disk/partition, or a partition of your internal disk.
Advantages
When your internal HD fails, you can boot and run from the clone immediately. Your Mac may run a bit slower, but it will run, and contain everything that was on your internal HD at the time the clone was made or last updated.
You can test whether it will run, just by booting-up from it (but of course you can't be positive that everything is ok without actually running everything).
If it's on an external drive, you can easily take it off-site.
Disadvantages
Making an entire clone takes quite a while. Most of the cloning apps have an update feature, but even that takes quite a while, as they must examine everything on your system to see what's changed and needs to be backed-up. Since this takes lots of time and CPU, it's usually not practical to do this more than once or twice a day.
Normally, it only contains a copy of what was on your internal HD when the clone was made or last updated.
Some do have a feature that allows it to retain the previous copy of items that have been changed or deleted, in the fashion of an archive, but of course that has the same disadvantages as an archive.
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_*TRADITIONAL "ARCHIVE" BACKUPS*_
These copy specific files and folders, or your entire system. With many, the first backup is a full copy of everything; subsequently, they're "incremental," copying only what's changed.
Most of these will copy to an external disk or network locations; some to CDs/DVDs, or even tape.
Advantages
They're usually fairly simple and reliable. If the increments are on separate media, they can be taken off-site easily.
Disadvantages
Most have to examine everything to determine what's changed and needs to be backed-up. This takes considerable time and lots of CPU. If an entire system is being backed-up, it's usually not practical to do this more than once, or perhaps twice, a day.
Restoring an individual item means you have to find the media and/or file it's on. You may have to dig through many incremental backups to find what you're looking for.
Restoring an entire system (or large folder) usually means you have to restore the most recent Full backup, then each of the increments, in the proper order. This can get very tedious and error-prone.
You have to manage the backups yourself. If they're on an external disk, sooner or later it will get full, and you have to do something, like figure out what to delete. If they're on removable media, you have to store them somewhere appropriate and keep track of them.
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_*TIME MACHINE*_
Advantages
Similar to an archive, TM keeps copies of everything currently on your system, plus changed/deleted items, on an external disk or Time Capsule.
Like many Archive apps, it first copies everything on your system, then does incremental backups of additions and changes. But TM's magic is, each backup appears to be a full one: a complete copy of everything on your system at the time of the backup.
It uses an internal OSX log of what's changed to quickly determine what to copy, so most users can let it do it's hourly incremental backups without much effect on system performance. This means you have a much better chance to recover an item that was changed or deleted in error, or corrupted.
Recovery of individual items is quite easy, via the TM interface. You don't have to find and mount media, or dig through many files to find what you're looking for.
You can also recover your entire system to the exact state it was in at the time of any backup, even it that's a previous version of OSX.
TM manages it's space for you, automatically. When your backup disk gets near full, TM will delete your oldest backup(s) to make room for new ones. But it will never delete it's copy of anything that's still on your internal HD, or was there at the time of any remaining backup. So all that's actually deleted are copies of items that were changed or deleted long ago.
Disadvantages
It's not bootable. If your internal HD fails, you can't boot directly from your TM backups. You must restore them, either to your repaired/replaced internal HD or an external disk. This is a fairly simple, but of course lengthy, procedure.
TM doesn't keep it's copies of changed/deleted items forever, and you're usually not notified when it deletes them.
It is fairly complex, and somewhat new, so may be a bit less reliable than some others.
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RECOMMENDATION
For most non-professional users, TM is simple, workable, and maintenance-free. But it does have it's disadvantages.
That's why many folks use both Time Machine and a bootable clone, to have two, independent backups, with the advantages of both. If one fails, the other remains. If there's room, these can be in separate partitions of the same external drive, but it's a bit safer to have them on separate drives.
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_*OFF-SITE BACKUPS*_
As great as external drives are, they may not protect you from fire, flood, theft, or direct lightning strike on your power lines. So it's an excellent idea to get something off-site, to your safe deposit box, workplace, relative's house, etc.
There are many ways to do that, depending on how much data you have, how often it changes, how valuable it is, and your level of paranoia.
One of the the best strategies is to follow the above recommendation, but with a pair of portable externals, each 4 or more times the size of your data. Each has one partition the same size as your internal HD for a "bootable clone" and another with the remainder for TM.
Use one drive for a week or so, then take it off-site and swap with the other. You do have to tell TM when you swap drives, via TM Preferences > Change Disk; and you shouldn't go more than about 10 days between swaps.
There are other options, instead of the dual drives, or in addition to them. Your off-site backups don't necessarily have to be full backups, but can be just copies of critical information.
If you have a MobileMe account, you can use Apple's Backup app to get relatively-small amounts of data (such as Address book, preferences, settings, etc.) off to iDisk daily. If not, you can use a 3rd-party service such as Mozy.
You can also copy data to CDs or DVDs and take them off-site. Re-copy them every year or two, as their longevity is questionable.
Backup strategies are not a "One Size Fits All" sort of thing. What's best varies by situation and preference.
Just as an example, I use TM plus a CarbonCopyCloner clone (updated daily, while I'm snoozing) locally, plus small daily Backups to iDisk, plus some other things to DVD/RWs in my safe deposit box. Probably overkill, but as many of us have learned over the years, backups are one area where +Paranoia is Prudent!+

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I bought a WD SE16 500 gig hard drive and used Super Duper to clone my original HD. But the progress bar has been stuck at "23.15 GB copied" for the last 30 minutes. Is this normal? This is my first time using Super Duper. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Thanks for answering. Last night, I let Super Duper run its course for another hour or so. Then all of a sudden it says that 175 gigs has been copied, and it finished copying shortly thereafter. But now I have another problem.
Last night, I set the new hard drive as my start up disk. Then, I opened up the programs I normally use and "kept them in the dock". I restarted the computer with my newly copied hard drive as the new start up disk, but the dock wipes out everything I add to it and goes back to the default settings and programs. I've done this a few times already and it's always the same result: default dock settings and programs.
Now that I think about it. This happened once right before I cloned my original hard drive. At that time, I downloaded the latest update (security and quicktime). On top of that, keychain keeps popping up and asking me for the password. It never used to do that. Is anyone else having the same problems? Do you guys think it's because of the update or was something corrupted in the copying. Any advice? Thanks!
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hi guys
I intend to buy an external Firewire HD soon... but we just had another baby and have to save some money...
My question is:
Can I use Super Duper to clone OSX to my USB 2 HD? Even knowing it won't be a bootable driver!
But I believe it's better than nothing to have a copy of my OS in case I have any minor problem and want to go back to a previous configuration... in case an update makes my OS slower or I change my mind about an installed App. I can use the OS copy kept in my USB2 HD.
I know that if a have a major problem I won't be able to boot from my external HD but as I said I just want to make sure I can use it kind of like Windows' System Restore...
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Nando:
I'm a little confused. I have two external USB 2.0/Firewire HDs and I use Superduper to clone my Macintosh HD in my iMac to both drives and I CAN boot from either of them. I bought Superduper specifically for cloning my internal drive because right after I got my iMac, the 250GB internal drive died and Apple had to replace it.
Booting from an external HD is great because it has already saved my bacon when Sherlock went nuts and I booted from an External HD and I used Superduper to revert Sherlock back to the last backup, which fixed the problem.
Whenever Apple comes out with an update, I back up my internal HD and then install it. If there is a problem, then I can reboot from an external drive and revert the internal to the last backup. Finally, and best of all, I can boot from an external drive and use Apple's Disk Utility to repair the internal HD without any hassles or version issues.
I purchased a Western Digital 160GB HD and I built another one (if you can call sticking a 300GB HD in a USB 2.0/Firewire external case and screwing it back together building my own) and they both work fine.
As far as price, I bought my external cases at CompUSA for around $60 and I just bought another Maxtor 300GB HD from Amazon for around $139. Drives are very cheap so if you want to build your own, you can save some money that way. Just be careful that if you decide to build your own that you make sure that the ATA I/F is the same on each unit. A case with an PATA I/F won't work with a SATA drive.
Good Luck,
Gerry

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Intel Mac mini or PPC (G4) Mac mini? Is the Lacie drive connected by USB or FireWire?
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Is the problem that you can't boot up from the LaCie or that you can't do the clone operation back to the new internal? If Super Duper is causing the problem, you can do what you want using Apple's own Disk Utility.

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